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re: This board is way too negative re: Berhalter
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:00 am to Alyosha
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:00 am to Alyosha
Berhalter fumbled the bag against Wales our easiest match. No two ways about it. We’re going to have to find second half goals in the KO. That’s not going to happen bringing on MLS journeymen in the second half.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:11 am to WicKed WayZ
Our group always is. But what anti US bias in FIFA tho?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:08 am to Alyosha
Based on our talent on paper before the tournament, we should have beaten Wales and Iran, and lose to England. That’s an expected 6 points. We tied two and won one. That’s 5 points.
5 resulting points divided by 6 expected points = 83.3333333%.
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5 resulting points divided by 6 expected points = 83.3333333%.
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This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 8:24 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:18 am to hendersonshands
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but this group stage was absolutely a success and you just cannot blame the coach when it goes poorly and give credit to the players when it goes well. He's had a great plan defensively for 3 games, and if not for Zimmerman trying to murder someone, we get through with 0 GA.
The problem (which you did note) was that he was fine early and completely fricked up each game in the 2nd half.
Hell, we gave up against England for no reason. A loss literally meant nothing and he subbed late, bunkered, and didn't even let them take the final free kick. That is TERRIBLE logic and strategy no matter how you slice it. We beat England and we have a game to rest everyone against Iran, too. The tactical errors have long-term negatives.
If he didn't want to win against England, we should have started backups to rest starters for Iran and the knockout stage.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:21 am to cwil177
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Y’all would rather lose going all out attack than win playing ugly.
In something like the groups stages, where wins are extremely disproportionately valuable, high-variance is the smart way to go. Ties are effectively worthless.
In knockout stages, not so much.
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By far my biggest frustration with this team is the lack of urgency going forward on the break and the lack of a killer instinct. That comes down to young and inexperienced players.
They do this in major soccer leagues weekly. If they are having issues under GB, then it's an issue with GB's scheme and the team culture he demands.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:24 am to Alyosha
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Credit goes to Greggg for getting some things right with beginning game formation, roster, and navigating tournament mentality (which is all expected from any coach). But when things are going right, it baffles me at least me, his in game decisions regarding subbing and 2nd half adjustments. When Greggg professedly sets ourselves for good, why does he hamstring us by taking 3 steps forward, then 2 steps back?
Exactly.
He has a loser mentality in how he manages the game. He seems to do well pre-game for the tactics for each opponent, but then abandons that in the 2nd half to bunker and pray.
If he had an overall view of the group after he gave up in the Wales game, the rational-efficient loser mentality move would have been to punt England because a tie was worthless.
Also, his tactics and scheme literally do not value scoring goals or strikers. It's crazy to watch.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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He has a loser mentality in how he manages the game.
I guess you could say conservative mentality, but weird to say "loser" when he hasn't lost a match.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:54 am to Broski
I just wish we could stop with the extra passes around goal. We are constantly trying to dribble into the net. Take some rips from the edge of the box and make the keeper work.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:56 am to Broski
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I guess you could say conservative mentality, but weird to say "loser" when he hasn't lost a match.
I would argue bragging about “being undefeated” as a soccer coach is a loser mentality.
Ties are worth 1/3 a win. No coach should ever coach in a way that lessens the likelihood of a win to protect the likelihood of a tie. Unless it’s the last game of a “season”.
This is essentially an exaggerated version of the 3pt discussion in the NBA. Ties are worthless essentially worthless moral victories.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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In something like the groups stages, where wins are extremely disproportionately valuable, high-variance is the smart way to go. Ties are effectively worthless.
Thank you!!!
Regular season play (including group stage tournament) should have both teams viewing ties as losses. It’s a loss with better GD
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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He has a loser mentality in how he manages the game. He seems to do well pre-game for the tactics for each opponent, but then abandons that in the 2nd half to bunker and pray.
The big issue for me is that the squad selection seems dedicated to either his A-team tactics or bunkering. Nothing else. We don't have very much depth or quality in central midfield, and I still don't understand the reasoning for bringing so many right backs.
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Also, his tactics and scheme literally do not value scoring goals or strikers. It's crazy to watch.
The hesitancy around the box is so damn odd. It's like the players are looking for passes for the sake of looking for passes at times.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:04 am to crazy4lsu
Sometimes theyre trying to score training ground goals when you just need to put a bastard* shot on target. (Like the Weah/Sargent frick up yesterday) Guess you live with that with a young team
* Love how tBrits use “bastard” as an intensifying adjective
* Love how tBrits use “bastard” as an intensifying adjective
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:13 am to WicKed WayZ
Depends how you look at it. We didn't have the hardest group but the group that was bunched up the most. I don't see underachieving England being a true 5. Spain and a couple of others are better. We crapped the bed against inferior Wales and then were lucky to bounce back against a weak top of the group in England.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:17 am to cwil177
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Y’all would rather lose going all out attack than win playing ugly.
I think that’s a mischaracterization of what the complaint is.
Wales game - 1st half we are front foot and dominating. 2nd half we go defensive (this is the perception at least) and lose two points that should have been ours. We didn’t want attacking soccer for it’s own sake, we wanted three points instead of one against a team we should beat.
England game - Once Wales lost to Iran, there was relatively little difference between a draw and a win for our advancement chances. We were playing great and had a chance for a historic win, but Gregg seemed content to play for a draw in the last twenty minutes. We didn’t want attacking soccer for its own sake, we wanted to seize an opportunity in a relatively riskless situation.
Iran - We didn’t want attacking soccer for it’s own sake, we wanted to score knowing full well that bunkering to protect a one goal lead for 30 minutes was a very very risky proposition.
This group was winnable, which would have been huge. Instead we squeaked into second place. Played great defense and seemed to start each game with winning tactics, for which Gregg gets credit.
I do acknowledge that we might be missing the forest for the trees, but I think he deserves all the criticism he has gotten here for being overly conservative, which put us in doubt of moving on despite the team looking better than most of us probably expected going in.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:38 am to Hester Carries
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I would argue bragging about “being undefeated” as a soccer coach is a loser mentality.
Not bragging, just pointing out he didn't lose, which is... y'know... the exact opposite of a loser mentality.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also, his tactics and scheme literally do not value scoring goals or strikers. It's crazy to watch.
Yeah it’s super frustrating considering the talent in the mid and up top (other than striker). Gregg wants those 1-0 wins and it’s incredibly frustrating. If Reyna subbed for McKennie yesterday we could have basically just played a slightly more conservative version of what the first half looked like and put them away with another goal.
Instead, Gregg KNEW he had to win and in his mind, that meant parking the bus and praying. To him, it’s determination from his guys. To everyone else, it was complete idiocy
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:43 am to Broski
Come on man. Playing not to lose, which is what he did in all 3 matches, is a loser mentality. What he did was basically like punting in NFL OT 
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:45 am to WicKed WayZ
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Come on man. Playing not to lose, which is what he did in all 3 matches, is a loser mentality
This is so dumb.
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What he did was basically like punting in NFL OT
So we're just comparing apples to sofas now I guess.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:45 am to WicKed WayZ
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LOL. By nearly every single soccer pundit from every corner of the world said that our group was the hardest.
You can't be serious. Name 2 easier groups than ours, outside of Group A since the host country usually has one of the easiest groups.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:47 am to crazy4lsu
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The hesitancy around the box is so damn odd. It's like the players are looking for passes for the sake of looking for passes at times.
This times a million.
The lack of decisiveness in the attacking third is so annoying. It's what made our goal so beautiful. That shite was straight out of 2010 Spain's playbook beginning with Turner's long diagonal for the first of 12 passes.
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