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re: The Truth about 'Merrican Footy Tards, The Beautiful Game and GOAT Candidates
Posted on 6/23/12 at 8:58 pm to WarSlamEagle
Posted on 6/23/12 at 8:58 pm to WarSlamEagle
quote:They are poor snake charmers though, as the snake prefers to stay in the basket. So, they keep playing, and the clock ticks on.
Great analogy. Snake charmer ball.
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 9:20 pm
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Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:00 pm to Dandy Lion
Some snakes are feisty, though. They try to strike, and make mistakes. That's when you see Spain dominate the scoreline AND the possession rate.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:06 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Some snakes are feisty, though. They try to strike, and make mistakes.
If Spain goes up on Portugal, this may very likely happen.
Content for another thread:
Vincent Of The Forrest cannot play the 4-6-0 against Portugal.
What is the deal with Llorente? Tell us dude.
The Iraola injury is just as big, if not bigger than the Villa and Puyol injuries.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:17 pm to WarSlamEagle
It's not like Spain completely avoided attacking in the second half. Fabregas and Torres both had decent chances albeit offsides, and I seem to remember Xavi getting his shots blocked a couple times.
Why would Spain just wantonly lob inefficient crosses into the box and cede possession to talented players like Nasri, Menez, Ribery etc.? It's pragmatic football, yes, but pragmatic in a way few other teams can pull off. Spain would have beaten Greece by multiple goals just as Germany did yesterday.
England can play the traditional 4-4-2 and win 1-0 and have their performance called brave and courageous, but it's because they have to play that way. They probably create the same number of quality chances as Spain does but in a far less efficient manner. Spain has the ability and patience to choose when they can pick apart a defense.
Why would Spain just wantonly lob inefficient crosses into the box and cede possession to talented players like Nasri, Menez, Ribery etc.? It's pragmatic football, yes, but pragmatic in a way few other teams can pull off. Spain would have beaten Greece by multiple goals just as Germany did yesterday.
England can play the traditional 4-4-2 and win 1-0 and have their performance called brave and courageous, but it's because they have to play that way. They probably create the same number of quality chances as Spain does but in a far less efficient manner. Spain has the ability and patience to choose when they can pick apart a defense.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 9:41 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
If Spain goes up on Portugal, this may very likely happen.
I suspect that the game will play out similarly to Germany v. Portugal. Portugal won't be nearly as expansive as they were against the Netherlands and the Czechs b/c Moutinho et al won't have nearly as much time
It will be interesting to see how Bento deploys Ronaldo
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:17 pm to lesismeaurx
quote:
Exactly. I loved Spain at Euro 2008, they had flair and killer instinct.
In 2008 there weren't eight in the box and ten, normally eleven, behind the ball.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 10:48 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
At least Xabi scored... And got his 100th cap
Posted on 6/23/12 at 11:45 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
This post was edited on 6/23/12 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:27 am to lesismeaurx
quote:I'm not sure I buy that. Once they get ahead they have changed how they attack, but they continue to attack. Their attack looks for more solo runs by Torres or Pedro, who they have subbed in. They do not press forward as much, but they still generate opportunities that any other side not named Germany would be thrilled to generate.
Now all they like to do is get a 1-0 lead and put the game to bed...literally.
They have dictated the tempo of the game against everyone they have played. Even when they fell behind Italy. It is natural for them to play at a tempo that is less risky once they get the lead.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:31 am to Poodlebrain
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They have dictated the tempo of the game against everyone they have played. Even when they fell behind Italy. It is natural for them to play at a tempo that is less risky once they get the lead.
They went straight at France immediately after Alonso's header.
The lack of a striker gives them weak verticality, as all these amazing midfielders are pretty damned slow (quick in tight space, but slow nonetheless).
Torres is fast as hell, but shite on the ball, and worse shooting.
I still don't know what the deal with Llorente is.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:38 am to Dandy Lion
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If the other side is doing nothing to level,
i've said this many times, but the refs call a game that takes away opportunities for bigger teams
this is more during club play, but it exists
the refs do not let other teams get physical with the tika toka teams, and it affects the ability to counter
i do think teams get too scared of spain though and could attack more. france did in the 2nd half last night
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:40 am to Dandy Lion
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as all these amazing midfielders are pretty damned slow
i was going to post this yesterday. i never realized just how slow silva was until yesterday
i guess playing in england will mask that
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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the refs do not let other teams get physical with the tika toka teams, and it affects the ability to counter
does not compute.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:43 am to Dandy Lion
again, i've seen it more on the club level, but if a team uses a long ball to counter, the attacking player is given no ability to out-muscle the defense. when man u played barca in the title in 2011 it was horrible
man u had 3-4 good long ball opportunities to rooney that were called off due to "fouls" b/c he was just gaining position on the small barca defenders
no team can possess like barca on the club level or spain on the international level. they're the masters of that game, so it's all but impossible to try to beat them at the possession game. i'm not knocking spain/barca for this, or taking anything away
what i'm saying is it leaves the other team with basically the option to counter, and if you take away the ability to counter with a long ball, you make it much harder to compete
man u had 3-4 good long ball opportunities to rooney that were called off due to "fouls" b/c he was just gaining position on the small barca defenders
no team can possess like barca on the club level or spain on the international level. they're the masters of that game, so it's all but impossible to try to beat them at the possession game. i'm not knocking spain/barca for this, or taking anything away
what i'm saying is it leaves the other team with basically the option to counter, and if you take away the ability to counter with a long ball, you make it much harder to compete
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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man u had 3-4 good long ball opportunities to rooney that were called off due to "fouls" b/c he was just gaining position on the small barca defenders
this is your opinion. a foul is a foul.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Spain's heat map for the match yesterday
Notice their box...its empty
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:49 am to Dandy Lion
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a foul is a foul.
by giving small players an advantage in how fouls are called, the game is rigged for the small players playing small
i think having smaller/weaker players should result in a disadvantage for a team, not an advantage
you can only really create/eliminate the advantage on D, though. as we've seen with spain they can't create favorable treatment on offense, so they can't really play wide/in this tourney (without a striker)
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:50 am to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
Notice their box...its got eight, sometimes ten french players in it
FIFY
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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by giving small players an advantage in how fouls are called, the game is rigged for the small players playing small
i think having smaller/weaker players should result in a disadvantage for a team, not an advantage
Again, a foul is a foul. It matters not the size of the player.
Once the first foul is called, you've got an idea of how the official will be calling the match. You must act accordingly.
You can always resort to not cutting the grass and leaving it dry, this helps.
This post was edited on 6/24/12 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/24/12 at 11:55 am to Dandy Lion
And France's
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