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re: Spurs getting knocked out of the CL is absolutely criminal
Posted on 5/21/12 at 6:04 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
Posted on 5/21/12 at 6:04 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
Spursday night Channel 5!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on 5/21/12 at 6:04 pm to umpa23
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So Alabama should be one of the teams automatically in the bcs next year? These two statements don't jive at all.
What? No, the BCS is bullshite. It needs to be burned to the grown. and rise up like a phoenix.
Champions league is an invitational tournament with specific guidelines on how a team receives an invitation. I think a golf tournament (or maybe tennis ..dont kn much about tennis) is the only thing even slightly comparable.
They have it set up to field a tournament of the best European teams to compete for their title.
Its not a playoff. its a tournament. an invitational league. The same/similar things happens in the CONCACAF Champions league. and I assume all the others.
quote:in aseperate semi- autonomous league. They won the league (the same year).
Not to mention, if it's from how well you played in the previous year, which is the requirement for 71 of the teams; why does one team get a pass while playing poorly in the same year the other teams were required to perform well in?
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world cup
up until 2002 the previous champion automatically qualified. host team obviously still does.
Maybe a better set up should be like the world cup does with the host team. accounts the previous year a guarantee and the league that wins gets an extra team.
So, 71+the previous winner. (However, I think a lot of leagues would be against this. Particularly, those that dont have real title challengers)
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:18 pm to umpa23
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I think this is very "fair." a champion should have a right to defend their title
only if they qualify for the event that determines the title
are you also of the thought process that believes a challenger has to clearly beat a title holder in a fight?
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:20 pm to umpa23
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Additionally, college basketball/ baseball are very similar. bubble teams get bumped out every year because there is too many teams from one conference and a mediocre team won the conference tournament.
that's a different argument, b/c the conf champions ALWAYS get into the postseason tourney
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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b/c the conf champions ALWAYS get into the postseason tourney
So which league champ isn't getting in? Spurs were 4th!!!!!
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:26 pm to Bho
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So which league champ isn't getting in? Spurs were 4th!!!!!
if the FA cup determined the "champ" for CL purposes, it would be a comparable analogy
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:27 pm to Bho
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only if they qualify for the event that determines the title
They obviously Qualified. they won the tournemant and the winner automatically gets to go into the group stage the following year.
I doen't even understand this point(?)
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:42 pm to umpa23
The comparisons with other sports are really just confusing the point since Champions League and Europa League just work so differently.
Of course, it sucks for Spurs but the basic idea of cup winners getting European spots over teams above them in the table is very normal across every league. Europa League spots go to Carling and FA Cup winners even if they're relegated, for example. Hell, even the runners-up and so forth get spots over a higher table finisher if the winner is already in CL or EL, right?
There's always a balancing act so there will always a club that feels a bit unlucky.
Winning the CL is kind of a big deal after all, which is why the rule was put in place.
I'd sure prefer my team to win the CL than finish 4th instead of 6th or 7th, who wouldn't?
Of course, it sucks for Spurs but the basic idea of cup winners getting European spots over teams above them in the table is very normal across every league. Europa League spots go to Carling and FA Cup winners even if they're relegated, for example. Hell, even the runners-up and so forth get spots over a higher table finisher if the winner is already in CL or EL, right?
There's always a balancing act so there will always a club that feels a bit unlucky.
Winning the CL is kind of a big deal after all, which is why the rule was put in place.
I'd sure prefer my team to win the CL than finish 4th instead of 6th or 7th, who wouldn't?
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 5/21/12 at 7:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if the FA cup determined the "champ" for CL purposes, it would be a comparable analogy
I read it as a NCAA basketball comparison, with conference champs getting auto bid. It really doesn't matter. Chelsea deserves to play because they won the most coveted cup in European club play.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:11 pm to Bho
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most coveted cup in European club play.
which by default means best cup in the entire world!
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:23 pm to Bho
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I read it as a NCAA basketball comparison, with conference champs getting auto bid.
that's pretty much what the FA is
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:30 pm to beezylsu
The UCL is probably the hardest professional sports title to win on the planet. Chelsea deserve a spot in next year's competition.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's pretty much what the FA is
Not really. Just about all english clubs get in no matter how shitty. Consider each league a conference and that may help a little.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 8:49 pm to beezylsu
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which by default means best cup in the entire world!
Why stop with the world? The MotherFricking Universe!!!!
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 5/22/12 at 9:02 am to umpa23
quote:First of all, as Americans, we screw everything up when we try to put our heads together to come up with some sort of system. Second, I really like the idea of the chance to defend your title next year. The difference in soccer is that it is a competition that last throughout the entire season consisting of 72 teams from all over Europe. I think in this case spurs can be left out to let the defending champs defend their title. It sucks if your the opposition but they should of knocked arsenal out. Why didn't they, b/c they are the same ole spurs that crumble in the end.
So Alabama should be one of the teams automatically in the bcs next year? These two statements don't jive at all.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 11:19 am to Patch
I'm an Arsenal fan and even I feel bad for Tottenham.
Yes, Chelsea deserve to defend their title, no question. That said, I don't think that Tottenham should lose their spot in the CL.
Yes, Chelsea deserve to defend their title, no question. That said, I don't think that Tottenham should lose their spot in the CL.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 12:52 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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and get lucky
I don't understand how anyone thinks Chelsea performed poorly or got lucky... They accomplished a pretty amazing feat to be an unheralded champion. Beat Barca who many on this board was describing as the Greatest Team of All Time a few months ago and Beat a Very good Bayern Team in Munich.
All at the same time winning the FA Cup. Chelsea wasn't the best team in the league this year but they played very well when it counted.
Kind of like a Wild Card team in the NFL winning the SuperBowl
Posted on 5/22/12 at 1:03 pm to petar
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Kind of like a Wild Card team in the NFL winning the SuperBowl on a field goal shootout
Posted on 5/22/12 at 1:04 pm to petar
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Kind of like a Wild Card team in the NFL winning the SuperBowl on an extra point shootout
Posted on 5/22/12 at 1:07 pm to cwil177
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Yes, Chelsea deserve to defend their title, no question. That said, I don't think that Tottenham should lose their spot in the CL.
In 2005 England got an extra berth when Liverpool won the Champions League but the FA refused to use one of their four champions league spots to get them in. It was a last minute compromise, UEFA had said before the final and for some time afterwards that Liverpool wouldn't be able to enter the tournament if the FA didn't omit another team (in this case, Everton, who had finished 4th), leading to a standoff. UEFA blinked first, but they weren't happy about it, which is why, I assume, the rule is now that the lowest placed league qualification team loses it spot.
However, this resulted in the farcical spectacle of Liverpool having to qualify from the first round, playing games in June and July, against teams from minor leagues that they easily swept aside. Everton were entered into the final qualification round, but lost to Villareal.
This post was edited on 5/22/12 at 1:08 pm
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