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Seriously, why don't UEFA, the US, Australia, etc leave FIFA?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 12:51 pm
If they all coordinated the departure and started their own organization, it would be a fairly seamless transition.
The vast majority of the countries that voted for Blatter (and which are engaged in the most graft) are tiny countries that have no chance at making the World Cup. Uncle Sepp gives them a couple hundred thousand bucks a year and it keeps them happy. The Blatter model is perfect for the next bureaucrat. All he has to do is keep the small countries happy and he can be dictator for life.
FIFA's system gives outsized power to irrelevant countries. Meanwhile, the most powerful, largest, and richest countries are at the whims of the Cayman Islands, Maldives, and Burkina Faso.
WHy would Germany, Spain, France, etc want to be a part of the system?
Outside of Russia, none of the European countries are the least bit happy with this system. The US, Australia, Japan, Canada, and New Zealand aren't happy with the system. CONMEBOL seems to be split.
No one cares about watching the World Cup because it is a FIFA tournament. They care because the best countries in the world are a part of it. Breaking away and creating their own tournament would take away all of the prestige of the World Cup, and with the Qatar debacle coming in 2022, it would give some moral high ground for the countries exiting FIFA.
If they organized, I have no doubt that all of the major powers outside of a few South American countries and a few African countries would be be along for the ride. And countries that are torn would have a strong incentive to leave FIFA as well.
The vast majority of the countries that voted for Blatter (and which are engaged in the most graft) are tiny countries that have no chance at making the World Cup. Uncle Sepp gives them a couple hundred thousand bucks a year and it keeps them happy. The Blatter model is perfect for the next bureaucrat. All he has to do is keep the small countries happy and he can be dictator for life.
FIFA's system gives outsized power to irrelevant countries. Meanwhile, the most powerful, largest, and richest countries are at the whims of the Cayman Islands, Maldives, and Burkina Faso.
WHy would Germany, Spain, France, etc want to be a part of the system?
Outside of Russia, none of the European countries are the least bit happy with this system. The US, Australia, Japan, Canada, and New Zealand aren't happy with the system. CONMEBOL seems to be split.
No one cares about watching the World Cup because it is a FIFA tournament. They care because the best countries in the world are a part of it. Breaking away and creating their own tournament would take away all of the prestige of the World Cup, and with the Qatar debacle coming in 2022, it would give some moral high ground for the countries exiting FIFA.
If they organized, I have no doubt that all of the major powers outside of a few South American countries and a few African countries would be be along for the ride. And countries that are torn would have a strong incentive to leave FIFA as well.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 12:53 pm to Keys Open Doors
The melt today is fantastic
Posted on 5/29/15 at 12:55 pm to TN Bhoy
A melt is a logical, well-constructed argument with proper spelling and grammar, with no ad-hominem insults?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 12:59 pm to Keys Open Doors
Have an up vote mate. Couldn't have said it better myself. The FIFA WORLD CUP is just a name I'd rather watch a generic arse name like Futbol Tourney 2015 with Germany, France, Spain, Netherlands, England, Brazil, Italy, Argentina, Columbia, Mexico, USA, Costa Rica, and many of others
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:02 pm to NamariTiger
The one thing I'm not sure of is if the Latin American countries would be on board at first. However, if the top 20 European nations other than Russia leave, along with the US, Australia, and Japan, I can't imagine Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico would want to play in a sub-par World Cup field, without most of the big name American and European corporate sponsors.
This would also allow the new organization to have a certain level of power vested in the top countries which are less likely to engage in corruption.
This would also allow the new organization to have a certain level of power vested in the top countries which are less likely to engage in corruption.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:04 pm to Keys Open Doors
Because soccer is for the gheys
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:05 pm to Keys Open Doors
If Blatter doesn't leave within the next couple of years, I imagine the end is near for FIFA regardless, and thus forming a separate organization should be in the cards anyway. I can see UEFA leaving, as well as other countries in different confederations. If UEFA leaves, then all bets are off. I imagine Blatter will do his best to make sure that UEFA doesn't, but I honestly see an impasse.
Regardless, this is all good for the future of the sport. As long as the new organization is better than FIFA, which, though corrupt, actually has the structure in place to grow the sport.
Regardless, this is all good for the future of the sport. As long as the new organization is better than FIFA, which, though corrupt, actually has the structure in place to grow the sport.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:10 pm to crazy4lsu
And the Qatar Cup really couldn't be coming at a better time.
Even if you don't give a shite about human rights, there is a huge problem with the Qatar Cup. It's going to be in the middle of the season, which throws a huge wrench into all of the top domestic leagues. Those domestic leagues will have a shitty second half of the season as players are worn out, tired, injured, etc due to the demanding schedule.
None of the European leagues are happy about this. None of the star African, South American, and European players are happy about this, and none of the club teams are happy about this besides Barcelona and whoever else the Qataris can bank roll in the next 7 years.
Even if you don't give a shite about human rights, there is a huge problem with the Qatar Cup. It's going to be in the middle of the season, which throws a huge wrench into all of the top domestic leagues. Those domestic leagues will have a shitty second half of the season as players are worn out, tired, injured, etc due to the demanding schedule.
None of the European leagues are happy about this. None of the star African, South American, and European players are happy about this, and none of the club teams are happy about this besides Barcelona and whoever else the Qataris can bank roll in the next 7 years.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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to grow the sport.
What makes you think the sport needs to be grown?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:26 pm to Dandy Lion
Everyone in every organization is looking for growth no matter how big they are. We can play like the sport is so ubiquitous that there's no room for growth, but frankly, that's just not true. There's billions of people who are targets for growth.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:35 pm to Dijkstra
True. However, the FIFA structure incentivizes growth in inefficient ways. Where could soccer grow? It's progressed very nicely in the US, Japan, South Korea, and even Australia.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there is a lot of room for growth in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, the Phillipines, Vietname, Thailand, and Indonesia. These are huge countries. The smallest one has 30 million people, bigger than most South American countries. However, Blatter doesn't need to spend time with these countries when he can write 250,000 dollar checks to 15 islands and get even more guaranteed votes. St. Kitts & Nevis doesn't do shite for marketers or really for player development, but they'll get Blatter votes.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there is a lot of room for growth in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, the Phillipines, Vietname, Thailand, and Indonesia. These are huge countries. The smallest one has 30 million people, bigger than most South American countries. However, Blatter doesn't need to spend time with these countries when he can write 250,000 dollar checks to 15 islands and get even more guaranteed votes. St. Kitts & Nevis doesn't do shite for marketers or really for player development, but they'll get Blatter votes.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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@ESPNFC: England FA chairman Greg Dyke says he would be "very surprised" if Sepp Blatter was FIFA president in two years.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 1:57 pm to Dandy Lion
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What makes you think the sport needs to be grown?
Plenty of places where it could be grown. India and China for example. Let's not act like the sport has reached its peak.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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I can see UEFA leaving
Most of the UEFA federations are just as bent as the rest of FIFA.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:56 pm to TN Bhoy
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Most of the UEFA federations are just as bent as the rest of FIFA.
And? This is politics, and I don't expect anyone to be completely clean. I'm interested in Blatter leaving, but wary of what direction new leadership might take.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 2:57 pm to crazy4lsu
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And?
I'm trying to explain to the idiots on here why UEFA won't leave.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:02 pm to TN Bhoy
I don't know if they will leave, but threatening to leave has been something that's been talked about before, albeit not on this scale. That might be a more effective strategy than actually leaving.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:01 pm to crazy4lsu
The reason they don't is because they fear losing legitimacy to the major club sides.
In the mid 90s the top european clubs threatened to breakaway and form a super league. The threat was that players may no longer have been able to play international football.
What UEFA did to appease the top clubs was to massively expand the champions league so that they could all play in it every year. Platini reigned this in ever so slightly by giving an easier passage to champions of minnow countries, but the compromise remains intact and has kept the big clubs happy, the only real change in the last 20 years was a move towards audience based payouts as opposed to strictly performance based in the CL.
UEFA probably still fear this will happen, even though there's been no talk of it for almost 20 years now.
That's my theory anyway.
In the mid 90s the top european clubs threatened to breakaway and form a super league. The threat was that players may no longer have been able to play international football.
What UEFA did to appease the top clubs was to massively expand the champions league so that they could all play in it every year. Platini reigned this in ever so slightly by giving an easier passage to champions of minnow countries, but the compromise remains intact and has kept the big clubs happy, the only real change in the last 20 years was a move towards audience based payouts as opposed to strictly performance based in the CL.
UEFA probably still fear this will happen, even though there's been no talk of it for almost 20 years now.
That's my theory anyway.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:49 pm to Mephistopheles
I think the main reason is that all of those countries want to host the World Cup in the near future. Pissing off FIFA will ruin their chances of hosting the tournament. Just look at England. They're the birthplace of football with the richest and most watched football league in the world yet they haven't host a World Cup in 50 years because their relationship with FIFA has been so rocky.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 6:02 pm to Bench McElroy
I think that is further incentive to break away. Blatter is intentionally giving the cups to blocks that vote for him. There has been 1 Western European World Cup from 2002 to 2022, since he's been in charge.
It's amazing to me that with all of the money, many of the eyeballs, and many of the players, Western Europe and a few other countries are losing the battle to a reviled executive and countries smaller than the population of Tiger Stadium on game day.
It's amazing to me that with all of the money, many of the eyeballs, and many of the players, Western Europe and a few other countries are losing the battle to a reviled executive and countries smaller than the population of Tiger Stadium on game day.
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