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Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:41 pm to droman225
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Is the NCAA not a form of a youth system?
Nope. Extremely short season, limited time with coaches, limited time practicing.
In that same space of time, a player in a good European youth system is getting lots of time with coaches and getting games of a higher level, with the reserves or the first team.
The NCAA is the worst form of a youth system. We can, and should incorporate it into whatever system we have going forward, but it's pretty useless. The whole idea that the taxpayer should subsidize amateur athletics in America just so the NFL and NBA don't incur the costs of developing their own athletes is beyond stupid. But it's turned into too big of a money maker for the schools. We have to avoid this development at all costs with soccer.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:41 pm to droman225
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Is the NCAA not a form of a youth system?
With restrictions on how much practice a player can have. College soccer hurts developement of some of our best players.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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Nope. Extremely short season, limited time with coaches, limited time practicing.
Don't forget unlimited subs and backwards counting clock!!! It isn't even soccer.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:44 pm to Broski
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Good, sustain that.
How, when all evidence suggests those players are outliers, other than the German-Americans, who get the benefit of European training?
If we want to produce top players, give teams greater incentives to produce their own players. Let them set up academies based on the European model. Require a certain amount of coaches who are elite. Abolish the draft, let teams sign whomever they want in their region. Then let them produce. Those who don't make the cut can go to the NCAA. I know we are beginning to see this, but there needs to be millions upon millions invested in youth infrastructure. Coaches, facilities, tournaments, scouting, and the only way for that to happen is if the league is flush with money and the only way the league is flush with money is with TV money. That can't happen until the league has enough star quality and quality in general to attract a mass audience. But recognizable star power is one way this can happen, although the process is slow.
In my opinion, the MLS aimed too high at the start and attempted to placate the average American fan too much. All of this should have been in place from the inception of the league, not 15 years down the road.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:45 pm to glassman
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With restrictions on how much practice a player can have. College soccer hurts developement of some of our best players.
Ahhhh didn't know that
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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How, when all evidence suggests those players are outliers, other than the German-Americans, who get the benefit of European training?
Again, my point, we need to build through the youth systems.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:48 pm to Broski
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I want quality domestic players more so than a quality domestic league.
This is some arse backwards shite right here.
So it's cool if LeBron plays basketball at Maccabi Tel Aviv, and kids can only watch him play when he's on the one Eurobasket game a week on NBATV?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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Abolish the draft,
Crucial IMO. When American parents have an elite player in any sport the goal is to obtain a college scholarship, except in baseball. Which has the most "European" set up there is here.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:48 pm to Broski
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Again, my point, we need to build through the youth systems.
You and I don't disagree, but we've chosen to develop the sport in this country the wrong way, by focusing on star power. It's too late to change, and it will take a massive investment in infrastructure to overhaul all the problems we have. We won't get that investment unless it's from TV money.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:50 pm to crazy4lsu
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We won't get that investment unless it's from TV money.
Michael Bradley coming over won't change negotiations for the next TV contract.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:52 pm to Sheep
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So it's cool if LeBron plays basketball at Maccabi Tel Aviv, and kids can only watch him play when he's on the one Eurobasket game a week on NBATV?
The problem with that comparison is that european soccer matches are on TV just as much, if not more so, as the MLS in the US.
Also the NBA =/= MLS
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:54 pm to Broski
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Michael Bradley coming over won't change negotiations for the next TV contract.
Not everything needs to be in absolutes!
Getting people like Michael Bradley is one step in helping the TV contract.
Getting a footprint in the SE United States to make it a a more national footprint is another step.
A good performance in the world cup is another.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:55 pm to Broski
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The problem with that comparison is that european soccer matches are on TV just as much, if not more so, as the MLS in the US.
The Arsenal/Tottenham FA Cup match was on FOX. When has an MLS game ever been on regular network TV?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:56 pm to Broski
Considering every MLS team has a TV deal in their region. + nationally televised games.
You're absolutely wrong
You're absolutely wrong
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:57 pm to glassman
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The Arsenal/Tottenham FA Cup match was on FOX. When has an MLS game ever been on regular network TV?
MLS cups used to be on ABC. Right now NBC shows some during the season. Around 6 or so I would guess
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:58 pm to Broski
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Michael Bradley coming over won't change negotiations for the next TV contract.
Of course it won't. But all we need is incremental increase in viewership over a period of years. I seriously doubt the MLS will get massive viewership numbers until people become generational fans, and it takes a lot of fans for that to happen. Hence why instituting incremental change in the youth system now is so important. We can't overhaul things completely, but we can change a little at a time so that in fifteen years, we have a roster of 20 American-trained players in the top European leagues.
The truth is that we'll be lucky to see the US compete at a truly elite level for a long time. We have a good team now, and will probably have a good team for a while, but the chances are we won't ever be elite, unless something drastic happens in Europe.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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unless something drastic happens in Europe.
Collapse of the economic system and Euro? If that happens only Germany and England will have viable leagues.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:05 pm to glassman
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Collapse of the economic system and Euro? If that happens only Germany and England will have viable leagues.
Even then the players will still be good, just more likely to move abroad.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:08 pm to crazy4lsu
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Even then the players will still be good, just more likely to move abroad.
True. Brazil, Argentina, MLS and the J-Leaugue would see big gains.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 7:11 pm
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