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re: OFFICIAL Liverpool FC 2015-2016 Season Long Thread: Basel Bound!

Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:03 am to
Posted by Waffle House
NYC
Member since Aug 2008
3984 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:03 am to
Just wanted post 1,000

Posted by mkibod1
South of the Donna Dixon Line
Member since Jan 2011
4746 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 10:22 am to
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I think FSG will give him until Christmas to see how he does


I pray not. Most common fans can plainly see Rodgers is not the man for the job, and it makes little sense to keep him around any longer. I mean, what benefit is there to keeping him till December? Really? Best case scenario, we get our injured studs back, become more competitive, and hope to compete for a Europa bid? I think its time to tear of the band aid off and address the wound, rather than let it stay on and cause more damage. All of that is said with the assumption that FSG has their next man in the wing waiting to come on the spot as soon as possible. If Pool wants to be competitive next season, I say bring on Klopp or whomever ASAP so they can start working with this current group of players to see who fits in their scheme, and start building a cohesive chemistry on the pitch we are sooo lacking. Its sad to say it this early on, but I see this current campaign as a lost cause. The longer management waits to make a change, the worse its side effects will be. I do realize we are only 3 points out of Top 4 right now, but with what we have shown on the pitch, and the manner in which we have performed indicates we are a middle of the pack club without a real hope of contention. We are currently tied for 5th worst in goal differential and that has been steadily getting worse since the start of this season. FSG needs to look at the more successful sports franchise in Boston and learn from them, in particular the Pats stance on cutting talent... "Its always better to cut a man a year too early than a year too late."
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
7009 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 11:28 am to
I agree with you - I didn't say they should wait until then just that I believe they will - but if they didn't fire him after stoke and hired assistants and gave him that much money to play around with, they'll give him time. Plus look how patient the have been with the red sox.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14603 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 2:53 pm to
So, how attached is Danny Ward to Liverpool?
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:47 pm to
Pool's biggest misstep of the last few years: Konoplianka
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23556 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:11 pm to
we triggered his release clause, but his club refused to sell... but not sure why didn't we go in for him, when he was free this summer..
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
7009 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:56 pm to
Cause what would we do with another winger anyway? We have 4..we wait he's really an CAM, 3... err he wants to be sold...2... Wait we didn't buy him after being linked all window?

1. We have 1 winger and he's all of 19 years old and has done pretty much nothing of note all year.
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 2:58 pm to
Not Brendan's guy so we don't want him
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19457 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

1. We have 1 winger and he's all of 19 years old and has done pretty much nothing of note all year.


What? You're forgetting Danny Ings.

He's a natural winger.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6196 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

He's a natural wingback
FIFY
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 9/16/15 at 6:28 pm to
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 3:02 am to
So per Reddit, our starting XI in the EL today will be:

Mignolet
Ibe- Gomez-Toure-Sakho-Moreno
Rossiter-Can
Lallana-Coutinho
Origi

I'm actually a little intrigued by it, should be interesting to see how it plays out... It's a really young side, not sure why they seem to not be taking the EL seriously
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 3:47 am to
Rodgers is already giving up on Europe. Its pretty pathetic leaving all those players home.

I didn't want to post in here after thrashing you guys and give you all time time to cool down.

Nice to see most of you all finally agreeing with what lots of people have said about Rodgers from the start.

I see everyone is pretty much all on board for Klopp, but you guys need to realize if he comes then you will be starting from ground zero. Pretty much all of that 300 + million pounds BR has spent over the last 4 years will not cut it.

For one he will put your youth team kids to the test almost instantly. Then you will have to accept the fact he will start buying random 19-24 years olds from obscure teams and places and starting them over your big money stars if they are still there.

Benteke - Gone his work rate is not good enough and is not effective with out great service. Just look at how lazy arse Immobile worked out last year.

Capt count Henderson - Most likely gone. He gives away possession way to much and does not place the pin point passes needed for Klopp's style bc if the ball is not there from the midfield and goes to the other team (which Hendo tends to do) then it leaves the back four in trouble. It happened a lot with Dortmund last season.

Mignolet - Forget about he is deffff gone. He is not comfortable enough with the ball at his feet.

Sturridge - If healthy which is key could excel in his system but he will be having to bust his arse and he isn't built for the wear and tear.

Lallana - Would thrive in his system great pace and very technical could play multiple position

Can - with more time developing could fill multiple roles under.

Cou - Enough said could play the Kagawa type role

Anyone who plays the back four - no chance except Clyne

Ibe - would maybe fill a Reus type role but he needs to settle the frick down

Milner - Would be a stop gap at best maybe playing Gündogan role until Klopp finds someone younger and with more pace.

Allen
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 3:52 am
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23556 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 6:18 am to
quote:

Nice to see most of you all finally agreeing with what lots of people have said about Rodgers from the start.


Most of us felt that way from about 1/2 through last season... and a lot of these things that are coming about, really started AFTER our title run season... So, from the start? That would have just been merely guesses (or wishful thinking)... No one could have predicted what Rodgers would have done given the budget and resources he has had at LFC, because there was really no precedent... sorry...

As for Klopp, sure I'd like him and he would be my first choice... but I don't think he's the only choice either...

I'm not going to pretend and know how our current roster would fare under Klopp, though I tend to agree with you assessment of our CBs, with the exception of Sakho... He may even be willing to try Ilori and Gomez.. But our current starting CB pair are not good enough, no matter who is the manager

I also disagree very much so about Hendo. I think he has a place on any LFC team.

In a 4231... Milner should be playing on the right and not as a CM... I think he and Clyne would bring great balance on that side of the field

As for who he'd bring in... Again, at LFC he's have a bigger budget and he's typically worked with a DoF (which we don't have) who has done a lot of the player procurement... I agree he did bring through youth and their scouts, scouted the lower leagues... but when they got the Gotze/Sahin money, etc... they started going after players that many teams were scouting... PAE, Reus, Immobile, Ramos, the greek defender, and they even beat us out for Mykitaryhan (SP?)
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 9:07 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 6:38 am to
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As for who he'd bring in... Again, at LFC he's have a bigger budget and he's typically worked with a DoF (which we don't have) who has done a lot of the layer procurement... I agree he did bring through youth and their scouts, scouted the lower leagues... but when they got the Gotze/Sahin money, etc... they started going after players that many teams were scouting... PAE, Reus, Immobile, Ramos, the greek defender, and they even beat us out for Mykitaryhan (SP?)


He didn't really have to scout Reus. Once he start performing it was a given he was going back to Dortmund.

quote:

Most of us felt that way from about 1/2 through last season... and a lot of these things that are coming about, really started AFTER our title run season... So, from the start? That would have just been merely guesses (or wishful thinking)... No one could have predicted what Rodgers would have done given the budget and resources he has had at LFC, because there was really no precedent... sorry...




Most non Liverpool fans knew he was in over his head from the start, and then it was just confirmed once Suarez left.

This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 6:42 am
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23556 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 6:46 am to
Actually, a lot of people praised his work his first three seasons... And obviously, given his previous coaching record, we went out on a limb bringing him... he wasn't a proven manager, so to speak... so to think he may be over his head, I can safely say that everyone (including LFC fans) questioned that...

It wasn't like there was some resounding consensus from our supporters to land him... there was plenty of doubt to go around, when he was being considered and after he was hired..
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23556 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 6:48 am to
quote:

Mignolet
Ibe- Gomez-Toure-Sakho-Moreno
Rossiter-Can
Lallana-Coutinho
Origi


Given our injuries and that many players need a rest for the league, I kind of like that lineup and formation...
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19457 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:52 am to
We 100% lose.

Rodgers sucks worse on the continent than in England.
Posted by Meursault
Member since Sep 2003
25261 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:54 am to
I think so too. And to make matters worse, we could be responsible for England losing its 4th CL spot.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23556 posts
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:11 am to
quote:

we could be responsible for England losing its 4th CL spot.


Did you see the results from our brethren in the UCL this week? dreadful and could possibly shoulder the blame..

I'd like to see us go after it in Europa... May be our best chance for UCL... Rodgers management aside...
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