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re: Liverpool FC 2013/2014 - Season Long Thread
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:17 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:17 pm to pvilleguru
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Will you at least agree that it was obstruction and should have been an indirect?
I guess but is that even an option? I've advocated for years for officials to be able to call fouls in the box without it automatically being a pen.
Suarez's dive didn't help his cause though.
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:23 pm to RandySavage
Sure it's an option. If you believe there wasn't any contact, then that's the definition of obstruction. Last I checked, it was still in the rulebook.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:27 pm to RandySavage
This needs to be a rule 1000%. If people really want refs to call penalties in the box like they do everywhere also on the field, there'd be about 8 penalties a game on mostly innocuous shite. A penalty is such a game changing call that it just can't be made the same as a touch foul at midfield. It makes no sense, you're basically awarding a goal in a sport that averages just about 3 a game. And in most situations where a penalty is given the odds of a player scoring a goal are minimal at best. Refs have to use discretion, if you want that to change then make it like hockey, where penalty kicks are only awarded if a CLEAR goal scoring opportunity is prevented.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:32 pm to tigerfan88
I'm fine with changing the rules, but until then I expect the refs to do their job. If you see a foul, call it.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:44 pm to pvilleguru
Then why don't you complain on about 75% of corners? Because stuff that happens in there is called a foul in the middle of field almost all the time.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:47 pm to RandySavage
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Then why don't you complain on about 75% of corners?
I do. We were talking about it in one of the match threads this week.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:51 pm to pvilleguru
Or any long ball into the box? Why is there a foul called so many times when the defense sends a long ball up to a forward at midfield and he's jostling with a cb, but at the end of games whenever teams are just lumping the ball into a crowded box you never see a pk called? Bc its a ridiculous notion. You can't call every bit of contact that happens in a soccer match a foul, even if it technically is one, bc the games would be awful to watch. Just like refs in basketball can't call fouls anytime contact is made, or nfl refs can't call holding or illegal contact every play. I mean they could by the letter of the law, but it'd be disgustingly not fun to watch, not to mention take away from the intent of the game
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:51 pm to pvilleguru
So you are actually in favor of refs awarding about 6-8 penalties a game?
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:59 pm to RandySavage
Sure, but if they did that, most of the grabbing on corners would stop.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:02 pm to tigerfan88
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Just like refs in basketball can't call fouls anytime contact is made,
How much basketball do you watch? Every time I turn to a game I see refs calling fouls where there was barely any contact, if at all. I see refs call fouls that they think are about to happen.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:02 pm to pvilleguru
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Will you at least agree that it was obstruction and should have been an indirect?
there's the rub. if he shields him off the ball or cuts off his ability to make a play on the ball, it's an obstruction and an indirect kick regardless of whether it is in the box. Once there is contact, it's no longer an obstruction. At that point it's either a push or a trip which makes it a penalty. I've been a Liverpool fan for a long time. I would have been ecstatic if Webb had given the penalty but am not at all surpirsed that he did not. On the other hand, if he called a penalty against Agger for that amount of contact in that same situation, I would be pissed and screaming about his anti-'Pool bias.
I'm more pissed that Eto'o was even on the field at that point touch Suarez. He should heave been well showered and on his way home by then.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:12 pm to pvilleguru
A lot. They occasionally have some ticky tack calls, just like in soccer, but you also have plays where Lebron and hibbert slam into each other at the rim and they swallow their whistles. For the most part, and there are always exceptions,refs tend to call fouls with the flow of the game in mind
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:21 pm to tigerfan88
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If people really want refs to call penalties in the box like they do everywhere also on the field, there'd be about 8 penalties a game on mostly innocuous shite.
the most foul prone team in the EPL only averages around 13 fouls per match. so 8 PKs per match seems a bit of an exaggeration.
not sure there really needs to be a rule change. the one you suggest would lead to a lot of really cynical fouls in the box.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:30 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I think things are fine the way they are. But that's bc I think refs use their judgement and discretion on when to make certain calls. If they went to a "call every bit of contact a foul regardless of context or location on the pitch" mindset, I don't think that'd be feasible. But that's just my opinion
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:48 pm to tigerfan88
I know why Webb didn't call it.. He purposefully swallowed the whistle so he wouldn't have to award a PK... I understand he didn't want that to decide the result when Suarez had already lost possession... But it was a stupid foul by Eto'o and I think he should've called it... I don't have to like his decision...
I was way more pissed about the offsides call the match before, because that was just incompetence... Webb knew what he was doing..
Mourinho's BS is just him trying to deflect the attention away from his players... His was the best acting job.. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's good at it..
I was way more pissed about the offsides call the match before, because that was just incompetence... Webb knew what he was doing..
Mourinho's BS is just him trying to deflect the attention away from his players... His was the best acting job.. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's good at it..
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:53 pm to tigerfan88
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If they went to a "call every bit of contact a foul regardless of context or location on the pitch" mindset, I don't think that'd be feasible.
But not every bit of contact is a foul. I don't think anyone is saying call a foul every time someone is touched, but if you call a certain foul at midfield, then I would expect you to call the same thing if it were to happen in the box. A foul is a foul no matter where it is on the pitch.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:57 pm to tigerfan88
their discretion leads to pretty shitty results though, particularly on what constitutes an intentional hand ball.
the shittier thing is how differently refs call a game, IMO. managers, like yours, take advantage of the tendencies of refs, particularly Mike Dean and Howard Webb. you could pull a gun and shoot a player in the first 15-20 minutes of the match and Webb would just give you a stern talking to.
i'd much rather have a diver on my team than an entire team that has been drilled to recklessly challenge.
the shittier thing is how differently refs call a game, IMO. managers, like yours, take advantage of the tendencies of refs, particularly Mike Dean and Howard Webb. you could pull a gun and shoot a player in the first 15-20 minutes of the match and Webb would just give you a stern talking to.
i'd much rather have a diver on my team than an entire team that has been drilled to recklessly challenge.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 2:02 pm to Friend of OBUDan
I think refs call way too many handballs.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 2:11 pm to pvilleguru
yeah, I don't disagree. but there's no consistency to that call at all.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 2:23 pm to Friend of OBUDan
When Gary Neville fumes at the ref and echoes my sentiments, as in, it was a stonewall penalty for Liverpool and that Howard Webb didn't do his job then I tend to agree with Gary Neville. Gary Neville is probably as impartial and unbiased towards Liverpool as you can get. If anyone watches the replays, you'll see Luis loses the ball to Azpilicueta and tries to go after Eto'o sees that turns towards Luis and takes him out. That is ridiculous. It's a blatant foul inside the box and should be a penalty.
Eff that Eto'o had no business being on the field with his first minute tackle on Hendo.
Eff that Eto'o had no business being on the field with his first minute tackle on Hendo.
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