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re: Jurgen Klinsmann is now the betting favorite to become Southampton's manager

Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:47 am to
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:47 am to
Reddit is the biggest collection of figs on the Internet. They understand nothing about the USMNT.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29648 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:34 pm to
The comments about US soccer on the site make me want to punch a baby. They are so, so bad and so miserably ill informed.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:51 pm to
It is like they are Jurgen. Tell us how we don't know shite and how dumb Americans are.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted by mynamebowl
Houston
Member since Jun 2012
1712 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:51 pm to
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I don't think it matters who the coach is until the US figures out a way to attract young talented players to the game and identify, evaluate and develop them


In terms of the big picture, you're spot on. Players win. Not coaches. The soccer culture here has to get to the point where we're striving for and competing for World Cups, rather than just shooting for the quarters or the knockout rounds or whatever. Until then, a good coach definitely matters because we're competing against countries that have better players than we do.

The process is ongoing and in my eyes I see progression. I most definitely believe that the USA will win a World Cup in my lifetime.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14977 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:40 pm to
1/3

When they get that low, they usually end up taking it off the board.

Has to be some smoke, if they made it 1/3.
Posted by NamariTiger
Flower Mound, Texas
Member since Jun 2014
17746 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:24 pm to
We have young talented players. Evaluating and development falls on coaching.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9425 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:47 pm to
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We have young talented players. Evaluating and development falls on coaching.



Development mainly falls on the coaches at the clubs for they play for. .. . that, and the players to show those clubs they deserve the playing time to develop etc. . .



I've never seen any manager of any other country who is expected to do anything whatsoever toward "developing" players for a NT.


Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:58 pm to
What about that country's technical director?
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31255 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 8:05 pm to
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I've never seen any manager of any other country who is expected to do anything whatsoever toward "developing" players for a NT.

Fair, but he is also the technical director. I would like him to do things to more things to improve the infrastructure.

Also, it took Jurgen five years to realize we should have a consistent centerback pairing. You should have that sorted out within a couple friendlies as a national team manager. With limited playing and potential for cohesion, you have to have consistency.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9425 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:16 pm to


A federation's technical director usually has little to do with any individual players but are tasked with the "big picture", i.e. application of systemic training techniques, structure/style of all the various youth programs etc. . ..


I have no idea of JK is doing a decent job at this or not. (It does seem in keeping with most technical directors to constantly bicker with the domestic league, so there's that.)


However, his job as technical director isn't really to think about developing certain individual 18 or 19yo players. .

As manager he can call them in for experience, try to give advice about or even aid moves to better club situations but it's not that he's really going to be working with them on anything much more than a general tactical level.

They have to be improving vision, honing skills etc etc at their clubs and come to NT camp ready to show what they can do and let the manager get on with figuring with how to fit them into team tactics that work.





His job as technical director should, ideally, result in us having a lot more kids coming up who better and better clubs want to pour resources into developing in the future.



Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51403 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:19 pm to
I believe many on here would like to see the French system.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29648 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:27 pm to
It would probably work better for a country our size than say the Icelandic system. No harm in taking aspects of both and applying them where possible.
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:39 pm to
We still have one yyyyuuuuuge problem despite the techical director....we have a pay to play system, which is quite the detriment due to hefty club fees. We pretty much winnow the talent base right off the bat with money being a #1 qualifier.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89828 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:37 pm to
quote:

The process is ongoing and in my eyes I see progression. I most definitely believe that the USA will win a World Cup in my lifetime.


I don't think so. It isn't engrained in our culture yet. Kids are growing up playing multiple sports and not solely concentrating on soccer at the highest level in the world.

Other sports offer that here, American football, Baseball, Basketball.

Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29648 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 12:16 am to
quote:

We still have one yyyyuuuuuge problem despite the techical director....we have a pay to play system, which is quite the detriment due to hefty club fees. We pretty much winnow the talent base right off the bat with money being a #1 qualifier.

This is one of the things that Klinsmann, to his credit, is trying to fix.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
21026 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 8:16 am to
Basic rundown of the French system?
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