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Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:47 am to BleedPurpleGold
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BleedPurpleGold
Did you read the judgement? Really wanted to hear your opinion on it and see if I understood it as well as I think.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:54 am to Friend of OBUDan
Terry had been accused of using a racist obscenity about Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game at Loftus Road on October 23 last year.
Mr Riddle said the prosecution had presented a strong case, but that the only verdict he could reach was one of 'not guilty'.
He said: "Even with all the help the court has received from television footage, expert lip readers, witnesses and indeed counsel, it is impossible to be sure exactly what were the words spoken by Mr Terry at the relevant time.
Impossible
"It is impossible to be sure exactly what was said to him at the relevant time by Mr Ferdinand.
"It is not only that all of this happened in a matter of seconds.
"For a small part of the relevant time the camera's view of Mr Terry was obstructed. We do not have a clear camera view of Mr Ferdinand, sufficient to pick up exactly what he said.
"No matter how serious the incident looks now, and how crucial the exact wording is now, at the time it was secondary to the key witnesses.
"They are professional footballers in the final minutes of a game where the result mattered to them both. They would naturally concentrate on the game more than on exactly what had been said to them or by them.
Palios: Terry case can help change football
"There was the noise of the crowd. There is the fact that towards the end of a game players are not only physically tired they are also mentally tired. I don't need evidence to tell me that.
"It is a crucial fact that nobody has given evidence that they heard what Mr Terry said or more importantly how he said it.
"He has given effectively the same account throughout. Insofar as there are discrepancies in his account, they are understandable and natural.
"There is no doubt that reasonably soon after the game he made the accusation to Mr Ferdinand. He confirmed that basic account in a statement on the evening of the match.
Very detailed
"He gave a very detailed account to the FA and later to the police. He gave evidence to that effect in this court. There have been minor discrepancies in the account.
"It seems likely that his belief that he was wrongly accused on the pitch has strengthened as time goes by, and I have discussed that above.
"However, his account has been subject to the most searching and thorough questioning on at least three occasions.
"Nobody has been able to show that he is lying. The lip readers do not provide evidence that categorically contradicts his account.
"What may at first sight have seemed clear to the non-expert, is less clear now. There are limitations to lip reading, even by an expert. I have assessed John Terry as a credible witness.
"The prosecution evidence as to what was said by Mr Ferdinand at this point is not strong. Mr Cole gives corroborating (although far from compelling corroborating) evidence on this point.
"It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him.
"In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty."
Mr Riddle said the prosecution had presented a strong case, but that the only verdict he could reach was one of 'not guilty'.
He said: "Even with all the help the court has received from television footage, expert lip readers, witnesses and indeed counsel, it is impossible to be sure exactly what were the words spoken by Mr Terry at the relevant time.
Impossible
"It is impossible to be sure exactly what was said to him at the relevant time by Mr Ferdinand.
"It is not only that all of this happened in a matter of seconds.
"For a small part of the relevant time the camera's view of Mr Terry was obstructed. We do not have a clear camera view of Mr Ferdinand, sufficient to pick up exactly what he said.
"No matter how serious the incident looks now, and how crucial the exact wording is now, at the time it was secondary to the key witnesses.
"They are professional footballers in the final minutes of a game where the result mattered to them both. They would naturally concentrate on the game more than on exactly what had been said to them or by them.
Palios: Terry case can help change football
"There was the noise of the crowd. There is the fact that towards the end of a game players are not only physically tired they are also mentally tired. I don't need evidence to tell me that.
"It is a crucial fact that nobody has given evidence that they heard what Mr Terry said or more importantly how he said it.
"He has given effectively the same account throughout. Insofar as there are discrepancies in his account, they are understandable and natural.
"There is no doubt that reasonably soon after the game he made the accusation to Mr Ferdinand. He confirmed that basic account in a statement on the evening of the match.
Very detailed
"He gave a very detailed account to the FA and later to the police. He gave evidence to that effect in this court. There have been minor discrepancies in the account.
"It seems likely that his belief that he was wrongly accused on the pitch has strengthened as time goes by, and I have discussed that above.
"However, his account has been subject to the most searching and thorough questioning on at least three occasions.
"Nobody has been able to show that he is lying. The lip readers do not provide evidence that categorically contradicts his account.
"What may at first sight have seemed clear to the non-expert, is less clear now. There are limitations to lip reading, even by an expert. I have assessed John Terry as a credible witness.
"The prosecution evidence as to what was said by Mr Ferdinand at this point is not strong. Mr Cole gives corroborating (although far from compelling corroborating) evidence on this point.
"It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him.
"In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty."
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:54 am to Bho
I looked at the highlights and basically Terrys defense is he did say that, but the black count part was a question... in repeating what he heard?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:57 am to TFTC
I felt like the judge made a comment that I took as "this is insane, they are tired football players in a heated contest, and shite gets said. Deal with it."
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:01 am to Bho
According to FIFA 12 you are supposed to "Say No To Racism" no matter the circumstances.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:03 am to TFTC
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Using a MLK Jr. quote in championing Terry
Brilliant actually.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:04 am to DB10_AFC
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no matter the circumstances.
Clearly didn't read the case.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:14 am to Bho
So with this ruling, does this make Anton Ferdinand a racist?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:18 am to Patch
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does this make Anton Ferdinand a racist?
I want to know what he has to say about everything now. I'm sure his story won't change though.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:22 am to lesismeaurx
I want to hear from the FA
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:25 am to Bho
i overslept so I'm late to the party but...
JT!!! CAPTAIN LEADER LEGEND!!! The true English captain!!

JT!!! CAPTAIN LEADER LEGEND!!! The true English captain!!
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:27 am to Patch
What the frick are you taking about?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:27 am to Patch
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I want to hear from the FA
It's going to be interesting. Terry's defense was brilliant. Anton wasn't in any of the videos so Terry just said that Anton said "black count" and he was just questioning what he had said.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:28 am to LSU Red24
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LSU Red24
You back in CIncy?
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:31 am to Bho
yessirr. Cards tonight. Bring the popcorn
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:33 am to RandySavage
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Brilliant actually.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:37 am to BraveTiger225
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John Terry may not be a racist, but he is a gigantic douche
Gerrard needs to remain captain.
Posted on 7/13/12 at 11:07 am to Patch
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So with this ruling, does this make Anton Ferdinand a racist?
vs who his white half
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:no, he (Anton) said black count so if the FA chooses to suspend terry, Anton deserves the same for all the shite he said to
vs who his white half
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