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re: John Terry found not guilty!!!!!!

Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:45 am to
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:45 am to
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yeah, I saw that picture in the LFC thread already... not sure how Stevie actually being the captain is being delusional...



I'm just giving you shite.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:47 am to
quote:

BleedPurpleGold



Did you read the judgement? Really wanted to hear your opinion on it and see if I understood it as well as I think.
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2662 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:54 am to
Terry had been accused of using a racist obscenity about Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game at Loftus Road on October 23 last year.

Mr Riddle said the prosecution had presented a strong case, but that the only verdict he could reach was one of 'not guilty'.

He said: "Even with all the help the court has received from television footage, expert lip readers, witnesses and indeed counsel, it is impossible to be sure exactly what were the words spoken by Mr Terry at the relevant time.

Impossible

"It is impossible to be sure exactly what was said to him at the relevant time by Mr Ferdinand.

"It is not only that all of this happened in a matter of seconds.

"For a small part of the relevant time the camera's view of Mr Terry was obstructed. We do not have a clear camera view of Mr Ferdinand, sufficient to pick up exactly what he said.

"No matter how serious the incident looks now, and how crucial the exact wording is now, at the time it was secondary to the key witnesses.

"They are professional footballers in the final minutes of a game where the result mattered to them both. They would naturally concentrate on the game more than on exactly what had been said to them or by them.

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"There was the noise of the crowd. There is the fact that towards the end of a game players are not only physically tired they are also mentally tired. I don't need evidence to tell me that.

"It is a crucial fact that nobody has given evidence that they heard what Mr Terry said or more importantly how he said it.

"He has given effectively the same account throughout. Insofar as there are discrepancies in his account, they are understandable and natural.

"There is no doubt that reasonably soon after the game he made the accusation to Mr Ferdinand. He confirmed that basic account in a statement on the evening of the match.

Very detailed

"He gave a very detailed account to the FA and later to the police. He gave evidence to that effect in this court. There have been minor discrepancies in the account.

"It seems likely that his belief that he was wrongly accused on the pitch has strengthened as time goes by, and I have discussed that above.

"However, his account has been subject to the most searching and thorough questioning on at least three occasions.

"Nobody has been able to show that he is lying. The lip readers do not provide evidence that categorically contradicts his account.

"What may at first sight have seemed clear to the non-expert, is less clear now. There are limitations to lip reading, even by an expert. I have assessed John Terry as a credible witness.

"The prosecution evidence as to what was said by Mr Ferdinand at this point is not strong. Mr Cole gives corroborating (although far from compelling corroborating) evidence on this point.

"It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him.

"In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty."
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23704 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:54 am to
I looked at the highlights and basically Terrys defense is he did say that, but the black count part was a question... in repeating what he heard?
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:57 am to
I felt like the judge made a comment that I took as "this is insane, they are tired football players in a heated contest, and shite gets said. Deal with it."
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2012
7080 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:01 am to
According to FIFA 12 you are supposed to "Say No To Racism" no matter the circumstances.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35833 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:03 am to
quote:

Using a MLK Jr. quote in championing Terry


Brilliant actually.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:04 am to
quote:

no matter the circumstances.



Clearly didn't read the case.
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2662 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:14 am to
So with this ruling, does this make Anton Ferdinand a racist?
Posted by lesismeaurx
datdirtydirty
Member since Dec 2011
869 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:18 am to
quote:

does this make Anton Ferdinand a racist?


I want to know what he has to say about everything now. I'm sure his story won't change though.
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2662 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:22 am to
I want to hear from the FA
Posted by LSU Red24
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
4769 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:25 am to
i overslept so I'm late to the party but...

JT!!! CAPTAIN LEADER LEGEND!!! The true English captain!!
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:27 am to
What the frick are you taking about?
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:27 am to
quote:

I want to hear from the FA



It's going to be interesting. Terry's defense was brilliant. Anton wasn't in any of the videos so Terry just said that Anton said "black count" and he was just questioning what he had said.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:28 am to
quote:

LSU Red24



You back in CIncy?
Posted by LSU Red24
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
4769 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:31 am to
yessirr. Cards tonight. Bring the popcorn
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:33 am to
quote:

Brilliant actually.

Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 10:37 am to
quote:

John Terry may not be a racist, but he is a gigantic douche


Yep. That's the bottom line.

Gerrard needs to remain captain.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 11:07 am to
quote:

So with this ruling, does this make Anton Ferdinand a racist?



vs who his white half
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2662 posts
Posted on 7/13/12 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

vs who his white half
no, he (Anton) said black count so if the FA chooses to suspend terry, Anton deserves the same for all the shite he said to
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