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re: If the US doesn't make it out of the Group of Death, Klinsmann should be fired
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:35 pm to SwaggerCopter
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:35 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Klinsmann wipes his arse with Landon Donovan. He's got 11 World Cup goals to Donovan's 5. Have some respect.
Is Klinsmann suiting up for the U.S.?
I don't fricking think so.
Not having Landon won't make or break this team. We've seen the U.S. can win without him but he's an asset. He's got experience, skill, and a killer instinct. If we are in a close or tie game, I'm so much more confident with him on the field then anyone else.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:35 pm to FunkasaurusReb
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If a fan doesn't get pissed off that one of our best players was not selected purely based off personal differences then... I don't know. I really hate calling people bad fans, but I think your missguided at how important Donovan is to this team, and in a big tournament.
Why does everyone keep saying this as if it is fact? Donovan took the time off. I'm a big fan. A good fan would see that the WC is more about the team than an individual. It's not like he's been in form lately. I just don't really see this as a big deal. I don't think we are any better or worse without him.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:35 pm to Keys Open Doors
Apparently Klinsmann's son thought it was hilarious that Donovan got left out, but has since deleted the tweet and apologized for it.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:35 pm to OnlyGatorsSurvive
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Goddamn shame. We're letting a f****** German ruin our chances of doing anything in Brazil. Congrats to Germany and Ghana on making it out of the group.
god damn, i can't wait until the WC is over and you can go away.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:36 pm to WarSlamEagle
The players on the Gold Cup squad who made it in over Donovan for the final 23 spots in Brazil.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:37 pm to Keys Open Doors
Ah, gotcha. You have a point there in regards to pure results on the field at the Gold Cup.
But I'm with Bho. He doesn't seem mentally or physically all there. Not enough for him to be a huge factor at the World Cup.
But I'm with Bho. He doesn't seem mentally or physically all there. Not enough for him to be a huge factor at the World Cup.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:37 pm to Bho
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A good fan would see that the WC is more about the team than an individual. It's not like he's been in form lately. I just don't really see this as a big deal. I don't think we are any better or worse without him.
now that its worn in, i'm with you.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:38 pm to Bho
He took time off after spending an unprecedented about of time with the USMNT. Damn near unprecedented in the history of international soccer for a position player. Seriously.
And then he came back. And he was hands down the best player on the field for the team in the Gold Cup.
And then he came back. And he was hands down the best player on the field for the team in the Gold Cup.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:39 pm to Keys Open Doors
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He can't handle not being the biggest star in the room. There's no other explanation for the cut.
ASSUMPTION
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:41 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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It's simple man.
Klinsman wanted a fit team.
Landon is and will not be fit.
He was cut.
End of story.
Beginning of another story.
I think the reaction here is probably fueled by disappointment.
If LD were in shape and playing against Portugal and Ghana at least as sub I'd give us a hell of a lot better odds.
It may sound nice to say "move on" but when the USMNT only has a couple of players in our entire pool that are likely capable of world class performances against world class competition, I'm not sure we have the luxury to leave off one of them.
If LD is so out of shape that he isn't a better option off the bench than an even older Brad Davis I'm not sure why he was even called into the group of 30.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:43 pm to Keys Open Doors
He's been really poor for LA this season to be fair.
Like this has been his worst start to the season since I can remember.
He doesn't have the pace to beat defenders one-on-one anymore, and hasn't been as incisive in front of the goal.
At this point, Bedoya and Zusi are on par if not better than Landon. It sucks, but if Jurgen is really all about form over reputation, then Landon Donovan doesn't really deserve a spot.
Like this has been his worst start to the season since I can remember.
He doesn't have the pace to beat defenders one-on-one anymore, and hasn't been as incisive in front of the goal.
At this point, Bedoya and Zusi are on par if not better than Landon. It sucks, but if Jurgen is really all about form over reputation, then Landon Donovan doesn't really deserve a spot.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:44 pm to Keys Open Doors
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And then he came back. And he was hands down the best player on the field for the team in the Gold Cup.
He's been shite all season. FWIW to me it's simple. If I'm the coach the "I'm not sure I like soccer anymore" is the exact attitude that I don't want on my team. Sorry, I just don't think he was going make a difference on our result at this years WC. It's over. Time to move on.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:45 pm to Bho
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If I'm the coach the "I'm not sure I like soccer anymore" is the exact attitude that I don't want on my team.
i hate this philosophy and i will never understand it. i'm about results in the end
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Sorry, I just don't think he was going make a difference on our result at this years WC.
then we are going to be fricking butt fricked
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:46 pm to Keys Open Doors
Why did Jurgen not check this board before making his decision???
Maybe, just maybe he knows a little bit more of the inner workings/dynamics of his USMNT squad then a lot on here.
I guess we have a lot of mad #10 usa kit buyers. Being upset is one thing but this cry baby bullshite is hilarious.
The team comes first. Period.
Maybe, just maybe he knows a little bit more of the inner workings/dynamics of his USMNT squad then a lot on here.
I guess we have a lot of mad #10 usa kit buyers. Being upset is one thing but this cry baby bullshite is hilarious.
The team comes first. Period.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:46 pm to thenry712
He isn't though. Look at some of the guys who were chosen. Green's impossible to gauge from a form perspective when it comes to club. He plays such a low level of competition, and then when it comes to international play, he had one game where he was terrible and got injured and missed several weeks of play.
Brooks had huge stretches where he struggled in the Bundlesliga. Jozy's certainly not in form based on his play the past 6 or 7 months.
He uses form when he wants and discards it when he doesn't.
Brooks had huge stretches where he struggled in the Bundlesliga. Jozy's certainly not in form based on his play the past 6 or 7 months.
He uses form when he wants and discards it when he doesn't.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:46 pm to Bho
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A good fan would see that the WC is more about the team than an individual
I think that's kind of the point. It's not like he's a huge distraction by himself, though his presence has clearly been turned into one. The question is, can he still contribute in some capacity to the team where others cannot? Klinsmann didn't have to anoint Donovan, but I'm not sure that Donovan's usefulness to the national team has expired.
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It's not like he's been in form lately.
He started the season okay, so it's not like he's far removed from being a functional player.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:46 pm to thenry712
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He's been really poor for LA this season to be fair.
Like this has been his worst start to the season since I can remember.
He doesn't have the pace to beat defenders one-on-one anymore, and hasn't been as incisive in front of the goal.
At this point, Bedoya and Zusi are on par if not better than Landon. It sucks, but if Jurgen is really all about form over reputation, then Landon Donovan doesn't really deserve a spot.
But is he not a better option than Brad Davis? I think that's the question that needs to be answered.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:47 pm to Bho
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Why does everyone keep saying this as if it is fact? Donovan took the time off. I'm a big fan. A good fan would see that the WC is more about the team than an individual. It's not like he's been in form lately. I just don't really see this as a big deal. I don't think we are any better or worse without him.
These are my sentiments for the most part. I want to see the guys who the staff thought were the best in camp out there. Everyone acts as if the sky is falling.
There is no reason Jurgen should be fired if we don't make it out. Landon knew he was at risk of not making the 23 before camp started. He's older and we have no idea why he was excluded.
It's a bit pathetic how much people are turning on a manager who has brought a lot of success and attractive football to the table over the past year just because of one player. I guarantee you that he's seen all of the film, he's watched him play, and he knows a ton about the player Donovan is. The problem is that Donovan was having trouble in camp before the Mexico friendly and still came in a bit out of shape. He may not have been as hungry as the other players.
All of this "real fan" and "fake fan" bullshite is childish. Some people want different things for the team, but we all want to win. If this is what the coaching staff thinks is the best way to do that, I'm all in. There are 6 other players who had the same heartbreaking call.
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He isn't though. Look at some of the guys who were chosen. Green's impossible to gauge from a form perspective when it comes to club. He plays such a low level of competition, and then when it comes to international play, he had one game where he was terrible and got injured and missed several weeks of play.
Terrible? He may have been a bit nervous and made some bad passes, but he also made a play that should have put us in a position to win the game. He's a player who looks to score, and if he performed well enough in camp, he should be there.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:47 pm to beezylsu
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The team comes first. Period.
so brad davis is a better soccer player than landon?
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:48 pm to rdw1690
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But is he not a better option than Brad Davis? I think that's the question that needs to be answered.
No doubt. There's no way LD would be more useless than Davis.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 5:48 pm
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