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How does one be a non-neurotic soccer dad?

Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:40 pm
Starting a new 'season' this weekend and I'm committed to being a better soccer dad. In the past I haven't been as happy as I should watching my boy play, and to other parents it looks like I'm too hard on him out there. I think the other parents need to practice with their kids more...but that's not relevant here.

I kick with my son daily, and we're pretty honest with each other with...good touch, bad touch, WTH was that?, laugh at each other when we dork it up, he calls me lazy when 1/2 arse...you know, a normal relationship (to me).

Anyway, watching him play is tough. When I look back over the weekend his results are great, game winnng goals and assists, incredible passes that open up should-have-been-goals...he's clearly one of the best players at this level...when I look back at myself over the weekend it doesn't seem like I was happy with his play most of the time.

I need to fix that. He's 11, and I know that this will all be over in a blink. Any tips? Anything I should be focusing on that I'm not? I should just start focusing on how the refs suck like everyone else?

Advice?

Edited title since apparently I'll never be good at this.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 6:13 am
Posted by different arse
'Merica
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

Advice?
Let the kid have fun.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 12:57 pm to
I think the board’s consensus will be pass it to the Italians
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39025 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:17 pm to
He's having fun. He could GAF what I say out there. My wife...not so much. Me...not so much.

I want to enjoy it more. My wife and I played competitive tennis growing up, and though the matches lasted longer, the cadence of soccer makes it tough to focus on one or two touches or a move off of the ball that didn't work out (in tennis that's exactly what you focus on). If you do, you end up being negative...like I'm fessing up to being. I'm frustrated with the other players, I'm frustrated with coaching...but it ends up manifesting itself in me being frustrated with my son's play. I know it's tough on him, impossible at times...but for my sanity he's the only one I get worked up over.

Maybe I just need to chill the F out and just enjoy the moments I get with him.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted by vistajay
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:19 pm to
I can appreciate how you feel. It helps to keep things in perspective, as the chances of his playing beyond high school are very slim even if he is an excellent 11 yr old player. You want him to enjoy himself and not worry if he is not meeting your expectations. He wants you to go to his games, and share in his success while being there for him at times of failure. He does not want you to remind him before the game to do whatever it is you are always trying to get him to do better. He knows what to do. He does not want to rehash the game for 30 minutes afterwards. He wants to get ice cream. Don't yell at him from the sidelines, other than a few words of encouragement. If you are a yeller on the sidelines, try this. The next game, watch the entire game without saying a word. Just watch your kid. Don't get caught up in the bad calls, the parents of the other team, or a few rough fouls. Just watch the beauty of your son doing something he loves, at a very high level, that he will never do in quite the same way again.
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
7436 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:55 pm to
Try to take the match as a whole. As you pointed out, soccer is not a sport of perfection. There will be miss-hits. There will be runs that go unnoticed or unmade. Work on taking those in stride. Then, after the match and back in the car, ask him how he thought he played and let him point out his own mistakes. It sounds like he's a pretty smart player for his level of competition and age. As long as he's close in his self-assessment, see if you can leave it at that. No need for him to remember and dwell on every little miscue.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 1:57 pm to
I appreciate that, and that's what I'm going to try and do.

I doubt my son will even play travel in high school, we live in a tiny town and the high school coach is a great guy/coach. Definitely shooting for state titles with the school team.

He kicks the football too, so that's the one he'd want to go to college for.

Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:17 pm to
As a high school coach, I'll add one more thing. Talk to the coach, no matter what level he's playing, and just discuss what the coach wants from your son. Don't go into trying to change the coach's mind, but use the chance to help unify the messages your son is hearing. One of the worst parts of being a coach is hearing parents yell things that are totally counterproductive to what we have set the team up to do. Having a unified message from dad and coach will help him avoid indecision.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

Maybe I just need to chill the F out and just enjoy the moments I get with him.
This is correct. And with all due respect Gaston I've read lots of your posts about you son's soccer and you sound like one of those way over the top a-hole parents. Well maybe not a-hole but unrealistic and never satisfied. I think you also mentioned he's bigger and faster than all the other kids. I've see that a lot at younger ages and by late teens everyone is catching up to or passing him. I could see you getting more and more pissed at him when physically the other kids close the gap. It will happen. (There will also be a few kids that you view as average now that will flourish and become really good. That will make you jealous as hell).
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 3:04 pm to
Is this a traveling club team or the kids recreation league down at the Y? Because if it’s the latter, I have bad news for you...

This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 3:04 pm
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 3:13 pm to
Yell at the coach when ur kid doesn't start.

Also, in close games, yell profanities at ref when he misses a call. Too bad the ref is 15 and doing it for free, curse at him!
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39025 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 4:56 pm to
First off, I damn wish the other kids would get better. 2nd, even though he is the fastest he's been at center mid since tryouts. He works on touch and passing way more than striking the ball, like he'd like. He plays on a team that does not possess out of the back...so it gets really tough when we go up against good clubs (BRSC Black, Blackhawks Black, whatever Fire team is A) he's not only playing their best player, they possess it and play keep away once they get it. We play those teams very well (with an attacking style)...for now. The kids who will pass him are those high IQ kids from the good clubs that instinctively know where to be. No big deal. I wish my son was on one of those teams.

I don't expect too much as far as where soccer will take him (I've saved money for his college his whole life), I expect too much though...that's what this all about. I kick with him and support him in every way, but to be a great soccer dad I need to somehow enjoy it more (or at least be that supportive face when he looks over).

Him practicing placekicking on his future HS field
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39025 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 5:02 pm to
It's travel, and he plays in his birth year. We play very few really quality teams though. Even the best teams in LA and MS don't rank very high in the region and country.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

I kick with him and support him in every way, but to be a great soccer dad I need to somehow enjoy it more


Well you obviously want him to do well, but think carefully about the real reasons you want him to do well. Is it because you want him to go pro, you want him to get scholarship money for college, or for some other reason? Would you be this invested if for example he was in the debate club and traveled around in debate tournaments?

You don't even need to be a "great soccer" dad. Just be his dad and try to use the sport for life lessons, like teamwork, being a good sport, picking yourself up after a disappointment, and stuff like that. I don't have children, so I might know how to use it for life lessons per se, but it sounds like you are putting a lot of needless pressure on yourself to be something for which there exists no ideal.

Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39025 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 5:29 pm to
I want him to do well because it's something he loves. I want to see him succeed at everything he puts his mind to.

I really want him to be a DJ, the kind with a residency at some Greek island hotel...
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 1/19/18 at 5:56 pm to
That's a good thing in principle, but success is a subjective idea. Saying you want him to be successful doesn't help you with your issues either. With regard to the sport, from your OP, if you find yourself unhappy with his level of play after he's one of the better players on the team, then the issues aren't with success, but with perfection.

Again, you just have to be his dad. You don't have to be perfect yourself. Just be there for him, guide him when you can, and make memories with him.

Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 6:28 pm to
quote:

How does one be a great soccer dad?
Adopt Ezequiel Barco.
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
42508 posts
Posted on 1/20/18 at 12:58 am to
Yeah, my advice is to stop being a dick and realize there is almost no chance your son will play sports beyond highschool -- especially soccer. Just let him have fun and take it as far as he wants. He's 11.
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4474 posts
Posted on 1/20/18 at 2:50 am to
The parent's most important job is to back off. Let the coach be the coach.

I've read your posts, and to be honest with you, I'm in a similar situation. My son is the biggest and fastest kid on his team, and has developed really good skills. He plays all positions on the field except keeper, he's a great athlete, and the coach relies on him to carry his team and direct the other players during the game. Sometimes they win, sometimes they get beat, and he usually has to deal with a few hot-dogs on the team who weaken the team because they can't grasp the concept of the team playing the full pitch. That becomes a teaching moment for the parent - after the game is over. It's his sport, not mine, so l let him do his thing, and try to reinforce his understanding of sportsmanship and his role on the field as defined by the coach.

He and the other players don't "listen" to parents on the sidelines, but they do hear their comments. Parents on the sidelines should never insert themselves into the game, especially if the team has a strong coach.

I've made a concerted effort to only tell him to stretch before the game to avoid injury, play aggressive, be a coach on the field (at his coach's direction) and have fun. He's playing against older kids, so I make it clear that he has to be the the most aggressive player on the field, but to do it cleanly. I let him play his game - but it's important to not be overbearing... He's a kid, and I treat him like a parent should treat their child. I'm hard on him at times, and other times l choose to back off. I do point out his good plays, and I try to point out any mistakes he makes in a positive light. And in the past year, I've had to grow as a parent and let him make his own decisions regarding traveling for regional developmental teams.

He's an absolute stud in his age and grade, and as dominant as he is in sports at 13 years old, I expect him to play multiple sports in college. Intramural soccer, intramural basketball, intramural softball, you name it, he'll play it, and he'll have a blast. I have zero expectations for him to play any sport beyond that, because he's a young teenager and student trying to learn how to navigate his teen years. Sports are important for our family, but we make it clear that family, church, friends and education come before sports. Not always easy, but those things will still be there when youth sports end.

Trust me in this - youth sports is a mess, I've been down that road with both my kids. My job as a parent, in regards to sports, is to place him with a good coach, if possible, support him, teach him when the opportunity presents itself, and ensure he can respect my actions, now and years down the road when he looks back on his experience as a teenager growing into a man and has kids of his own. Team sports are great for kids to learn how to deal with their peers, regardless of their talent level, and to translate that experience to their everyday life.

That should be the end game of any parent.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43143 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

We play very few really quality teams though. Even the best teams in LA and MS don't rank very high in the region and country.
You said your son's team cant hang with BR Black, Fire Red, etc. You're correct about LA not doing well regionally or nationally. But it sounds like your son's team isn't quality either so why are you talking about regional or national level? Again, that sounds like your head is wacked out in space somewhere with all of this. If your son is that strong, let him play ODP and make the regional player pool. He can play club for fun and you can see him at higher level of comp in the ODP program.
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