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Posted on 7/7/12 at 11:52 am to BleedPurpleGold
Ignacio Palacios-Huerta, the penalty kicks expert, proposes that the order should be reversed after each round.
Example with Teams A & B:
Round 1: A B, Round 2: B A, Round 3: A B
Currently the team that kicks first in a shootout wins 60% of the time.
Scholarly article on the matter
Example with Teams A & B:
Round 1: A B, Round 2: B A, Round 3: A B
Currently the team that kicks first in a shootout wins 60% of the time.
Scholarly article on the matter
Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:27 pm to thenry712
If Blatter and FIFA are the ones searching for the idea, then the game is fricked.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:59 pm to Tennessee Jed
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at some point in the match, you'd have to expand the number of substitutes allowed to enter the game.
Which is exactly what should happen. It's so easy it infuriates me people are too stupid to make it happen.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 1:01 pm to Patch
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I love PK Shoot outs, there will never be an alternative, if there is, I will give up on the game
So you will give up on the game if they try to decide a winner by actually playing the game rather some arbitrary method? Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 5:45 pm to RandySavage
I don't love pk's, but I don't love any alternative situations I've heard either. There are plenty of creative propositions out there, but none of them fix the problem that penalties create.
BUT after 120 mins of soccer, we can't expect the players to continue on, and penalties are actually part of the game unlike other alternatives.
BUT after 120 mins of soccer, we can't expect the players to continue on, and penalties are actually part of the game unlike other alternatives.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 5:52 pm to thenry712
That makes sense to me. I don't have a problem with PKs especially considering I haven't heard a single good alternative method.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:01 pm to RandySavage
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at some point in the match, you'd have to expand the number of substitutes allowed to enter the game.
At what point and how many though? Do you make it to where you can have 11 or 10 subs? Cause if not then you're going to have some guys who have been out there for 120+ minutes assuming you mean expanding extra time along with subs. I don't think pk's are the best way to decide big games, I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate here.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:07 pm to rdw1690
I think that they should introduce tasers into the game. After 120 minutes.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 6:55 pm to UASports23
I don't understand what's so wrong with a golden goal.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 7:13 pm to Gmorgan4982
After a 90 minute tie, go to extra time.
Play two (2) 15-minute periods. If there is still a tie, go to golden goal.
Play 15-minute periods until somebody scores.
Of course add extra subs after the two extra periods. I'd suggest two more per team.
Play two (2) 15-minute periods. If there is still a tie, go to golden goal.
Play 15-minute periods until somebody scores.
Of course add extra subs after the two extra periods. I'd suggest two more per team.
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/7/12 at 7:20 pm to RandySavage
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at some point in the match, you'd have to expand the number of substitutes allowed to enter the game.
Which is exactly what should happen. It's so easy it infuriates me people are too stupid to make it happen.
Maybe I'm missing something but how exactly does this create goals?
Take, for example, England vs Italy this past week. England had completely bunkered in ET and was hardly trying to get the ball over midfield. Why would England not use their extra subs for fresher defensive legs and make it even harder for Italy to score?
England didn't have some other attacking option that would've helped.
Not trying to necessarily argue against this but I'm just getting how the subs are automatically opening the match up instead of vice-versa.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 7:22 pm to wm72
because they didn't have the security net of PKs coming up. they'd be forced to move up and at least try to score. when they did that they'd either score or soften their back and italy would score.
of course, both teams could just die.
of course, both teams could just die.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 7:43 pm to rdw1690
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At what point and how many though? Do you make it to where you can have 11 or 10 subs? Cause if not then you're going to have some guys who have been out there for 120+ minutes assuming you mean expanding extra time along with subs. I don't think pk's are the best way to decide big games, I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate here.
Yea that would need to be figured out but that would be easy. Say 1 extra sub every five minutes or so hell you could even sub guys back on. Who cares as long as the soccer game is decided by soccer. I honestly have no idea how anyone could be against this.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 7:45 pm to smyce
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because they didn't have the security net of PKs coming up. they'd be forced to move up and at least try to score
Teams often are so afraid of conceeding they play for PKs and hope they win the lottery which is why extra time is so often unwatchable. If you knew you had to score a goal to win don't you think that would increase the motivation to go and get it, thus opening up the game and increasing the chances somebody is going to score in the first 30 min?
Posted on 7/7/12 at 8:13 pm to RandySavage
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Who cares as long as the soccer game is decided by soccer.
This logic is flawed. It essentially says that penalty kicks are not a function of a soccer match. They happen in non-tournament games, and therefore they are an aspect of soccer, albeit caused by an infraction.
The nature of tournament football requires that a quick and decisive measure necessitates a penalty shootout. Playing an indefinite amount of time with an infinite number of substitutions.
The increased number of subs could also prove to be faulty. It might encourage managers to avoid subbing players in normal time, under the pretenses of flooding the field with fresh players during extra time to take advantage of a team that has already used its regular allotted amount of subs. It could potentially kill attacking in the second half, as teams play to extra time where they get extra substitutions.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 8:18 pm to thenry712
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The increased number of subs could also prove to be faulty. It might encourage managers to avoid subbing players in normal time, under the pretenses of flooding the field with fresh players during extra time to take advantage of a team that has already used its regular allotted amount of subs. It could potentially kill attacking in the second half, as teams play to extra time where they get extra substitutions.
Big time stretch. Any manager who is going to tank an entire half of a game in order to possibly be able to use a strategy that MIGHT work should be fired on the spot.
There is really no possible way to make a logical argument that penalties are a better way to end a game than the game being settled by 11 v 11 until someone scores a goal.
Posted on 7/7/12 at 8:34 pm to RandySavage
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There is really no possible way to make a logical argument that penalties are a better way to end a game than the game being settled by 11 v 11 until someone scores a goal.
In your mind there isn't
Posted on 7/7/12 at 9:26 pm to Gmorgan4982
Bring back replays!!! Another brand new game for the price of one!
Posted on 7/7/12 at 9:40 pm to DB10_AFC
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Bring back replays!!! Another brand new game for the price of one!
Another chance for a big time game at Finn's.
Sign me the frick up for this one.
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