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re: Arsenal Football Club 2011-2012 Season Thread

Posted on 4/21/12 at 11:45 am to
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
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Posted on 4/21/12 at 11:45 am to
So now walcott's potentially out for the season?

This is ridiculous.. we need LSU to loan Moffit to Arsenal for their offseason..
Posted by ATLienTiger
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Posted on 4/21/12 at 1:10 pm to
Can someone figure out how many games we have played with our starting 11? I know Wilshere never played this season, but I remember the past 2 seasons we hardly had our full squad out there since Cesc, Vermaelen, Nasri, and RVP were often injured.

How many matches have we played this season with:

Szczesny, Sagna, Kos, Verm, Gibbs, Walcott, Arteta, Song, Rosicky, Gervinho, RVP?

Posted by ATLienTiger
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Posted on 4/21/12 at 1:23 pm to
So Arsenal have to get 7 points from their final 3 matches to ensure they don't slip past 4th? Without Arteta I'm not all that confident, but thankfully we play 3 mid table clubs.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 11:19 am to
Interestingly enough Jackie boy just tweeted his injuries were a result of him playing "to (sic) much too young." Doubt Wenger will like that as it is primarily his fault.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 4:37 pm to
The guy who hanged himself at LSU looked to be an Arsenal fan. Hope it's none of y'all.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:36 pm to


Nah hendo. Still three points clear in third and luckily playing teams that won't be relegated and aren't laying for any sort of European spots. Arsenal SHOULD maintain third, especially with the huge GD over Newcastle. Who still have to play Chelsea and Man City.
This post was edited on 4/22/12 at 5:39 pm
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:50 pm to
I'm not sure we can do it sans Walcott and Arteta. 2 of our 4 or 5 most important players this year. I haven't seen anything throughout the course of the season which would lead me to believe we can win without those two (in fact we haven't won without Arteta).
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 5:55 pm to
I think the difference is that we are playing teams that don't really have anything to play for.

We will see, but with Sagna, Kos, TV5 and Gibbs healthy I see us atleast playing well defensively.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 10:46 pm to
Gibbs looked good, sagna looks a step slow, havent won a game without Arteta, no walcott and an out of form gervinho is terrible. And ramseys confidence is shot. We know ox wont get a full game. I just hope we dont lose a game.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 11:13 pm to
Thought Gervinho looked good Saturday. Diaby wasn't bad either.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 4/22/12 at 11:49 pm to
he last scored in december, i just expected a lil more. Diaby could be good if he can stay healthy. I liked diaby way more than song earlier in their careers. But now song obviously has his spot locked up and he deserves it.
This post was edited on 4/22/12 at 11:52 pm
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 6:18 am to
quote:

And ramseys confidence is shot.


Played pretty well in the second half. First half he was awful though.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:57 am to
He's an AM, not a DLP or a box-to-box guy. He needs to be in that advanced role to succeed (at least at this point in his development). The problem there being that Rosicky is most comfortable in the advanced role as well and his form is currently better.

If Diaby can hold up for about 60 minutes, I think our midfield would have better balance with Rosicky/Diaby/Song. At that point, if we're tied or trailing, bring on Ramsey. If we're up, bring on Coquelin.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:56 pm to
Really interesting article. Cox has a point that Arsenal and Barca are often compared, but the source of that comparison is the fact that both teams insist on playing it on the ground. At Arsenal, we are obsessed with moving the ball vertically as quickly as possible. Hence the runs are diagonal or vertical. Barca are more interested in how to exploit space horizontally, which is why they are amazing at breaking down teams who play ten behind the ball and Arsenal are terrible at it. Wenger made Fabregas an amazing attacking player, but at the expense of any tactical nous, since the team was built around Fab. That is the biggest adjustment Fab has to make, since he's never had any real positional or defensive responsibilities since he's moved forward. Sometimes I wonder if Fabregas would have been better off remaining deeper and playing as a pivot player, as this would have accommodated a variety of AM's who've come through and have been forced out wide. Maybe this highlights a problem with Wenger's philosophy, as he's not interested in the shape of the team when not in possession of the ball as much as he should be.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

He's an AM, not a DLP or a box-to-box guy. He needs to be in that advanced role to succeed (at least at this point in his development). The problem there being that Rosicky is most comfortable in the advanced role as well and his form is currently better.

If Diaby can hold up for about 60 minutes, I think our midfield would have better balance with Rosicky/Diaby/Song. At that point, if we're tied or trailing, bring on Ramsey. If we're up, bring on Coquelin.


I agree that Ramsey is an AM, but his ability to play as a deeper CM has improved dramatically this year. He's pretty good when he played in Speed's 4-4-2 because it afforded him more space, as well as gave him more forward options to combine with. Ramsey is pretty much a player like Gerrard and Lampard, but he has a classier side to his game that hasn't yet been unlocked, which is where I think Wenger sees his game evolving. I've noticed lately that he's trying to dribble from deep more, which isn't something we've seen for a while. I have high hopes for a system that can accommodate both Jack and Aaron, as a pair they would be extremely dynamic.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

I have high hopes for a system that can accommodate both Jack and Aaron, as a pair they would be extremely dynamic.


I agree 100%.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

Maybe this highlights a problem with Wenger's philosophy, as he's not interested in the shape of the team when not in possession of the ball as much as he should be.


Very true. Which highlights the necessity for solid, athletic CBs in our squad. Our lack of positional awareness has left our backline exposed far too often. Luckily, Kos and TV5 have had largely fantastic years.

It hasn't been talked about here, but this summer is big for more than just player signings. Arsenal will have a new #2. A fresh voice working by Wenger could be very helpful for an issue like defensive shape. Rice has had a long and storied career with Arsenal, but it seems to be the general consensus that he hasn't been adding much in recent years.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:43 pm to
The biggest problem is that Wenger takes advice from no one. Martin Keown would be an amazing number 2, as he understands the importance of defensive shape. I also believe that he would stress attacking football with strong defensive principles. It's fortunate that many of our former defensive players are also coaches at the club. I'd love to have Keown as a replacement for Rice.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:52 pm to
quote:

The biggest problem is that Wenger takes advice from no one


Yeah, that's part of what I've heard. I think this hire will be less of a yes man though. The push for this move is more coming from higher up the food chain. Bould has been highly linked to the position, but YG tweeted a few weeks ago that he won't take it if his opinion will be ignored. Keown, Adams, and Bergkamp are others whose names have been thrown out. While I think DB will eventually coach at Arsenal, I don't think he will at this time.
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