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re: Arsenal 2014/15 Season Long Thread
Posted on 5/17/15 at 1:00 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 5/17/15 at 1:00 pm to tigerfan88
I think Arsene did great with teams we had in the past, which were absolute shite compared to the squad now. But it just comes down to tactics and his stubbornness to ever change until the season was lost. We are constantly playing players out of position, walcott shouldnt play through the middle, ozil was wasted on the wing, ramsey is wasted on the wing, cazorla is much better centrally as well. We didnt go buy a defender and were relegated to playing monreal at cb at the beginning of the season, it took him years to finally find a defensive midfield, and if not for injuries to arteta, wouldnt even been recalled to the squad.
he is as stubborn as a mule. City is going to finish second and will most likely be getting a new manager because to them and their owners, that wasnt good enough.
I love Arsene, but he is one of the highest paid managers in all of sports across the globe. We shouldnt have struggled to beat sides like hull city and leicester. You dont get you arse handed to you by monaco. We need to make some serious moves in the off season and the sqauds around us will strengthen. But imo, Arsene wont make enough moves to put us over the top, or at least keep us out of having to battle for 4th place every season.
BTW, Arsenal is the 7th wealthiest club in the world, and only slightly behind city and chelsea. manu kills all the rest of the league yet those other two clubs can compete with man u.
Im not saying they are going to make a change or should, im just saying we should expect more of the same as long as he is the manager, which is just not good enough.
he is as stubborn as a mule. City is going to finish second and will most likely be getting a new manager because to them and their owners, that wasnt good enough.
I love Arsene, but he is one of the highest paid managers in all of sports across the globe. We shouldnt have struggled to beat sides like hull city and leicester. You dont get you arse handed to you by monaco. We need to make some serious moves in the off season and the sqauds around us will strengthen. But imo, Arsene wont make enough moves to put us over the top, or at least keep us out of having to battle for 4th place every season.
BTW, Arsenal is the 7th wealthiest club in the world, and only slightly behind city and chelsea. manu kills all the rest of the league yet those other two clubs can compete with man u.
Im not saying they are going to make a change or should, im just saying we should expect more of the same as long as he is the manager, which is just not good enough.
This post was edited on 5/17/15 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 5/17/15 at 1:34 pm to dgnx6
Not club worth, team cost. Wages plus transfer fees spent on the rosters of the 25 man squad. Man U, Man City, and Chelsea are all close to $100m more than Arsenal.
I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but it's very similar to the les miles situation. Yes, he has faults. Faults that no doubt are obstacles to climbing the final few hurdles from an elite team to a title winning team. Yet both coaches/managers have strengths that are a big reason why both teams are only a couple of steps away from reaching the summit.
I do think this bumpy end to the season is a blessing in disguise, bc this team is not a title contending one, and far from a CL contending one. But I don't think any manager in the world could turn us into a top 4 team in the world as presently constructed.
Again though, to play devils advocate, we're a Sanchez/Walcott point blank misses away from being on a domestic run of 12 undefeated, 10 wins and 2 draws, with the draws being Chelsea and away to Man U. True title winning form. The margins in soccer can be very fine, and it's important not to overreact either way.
I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but it's very similar to the les miles situation. Yes, he has faults. Faults that no doubt are obstacles to climbing the final few hurdles from an elite team to a title winning team. Yet both coaches/managers have strengths that are a big reason why both teams are only a couple of steps away from reaching the summit.
I do think this bumpy end to the season is a blessing in disguise, bc this team is not a title contending one, and far from a CL contending one. But I don't think any manager in the world could turn us into a top 4 team in the world as presently constructed.
Again though, to play devils advocate, we're a Sanchez/Walcott point blank misses away from being on a domestic run of 12 undefeated, 10 wins and 2 draws, with the draws being Chelsea and away to Man U. True title winning form. The margins in soccer can be very fine, and it's important not to overreact either way.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 1:52 pm to tigerfan88
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I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but it's very similar to the les miles situation. Yes, he has faults. Faults that no doubt are obstacles to climbing the final few hurdles from an elite team to a title winning team. Yet both coaches/managers have strengths that are a big reason why both teams are only a couple of steps away from reaching the summit.
But I would really like to get over those hurdles and compete for championships
Posted on 5/17/15 at 2:41 pm to cwil177
So I went to the new Fado location, the second one in Atlanta. This one is in midtown, for those who are curious.
They had a raffle to support Soccer in the Streets. Four drawings, two for United fans and two for Arsenal supporters. One for each was a gift card to the pub. The other was a signed jersey. The Arsenal jersey was an Alexis shirt signed by the 2014-2015 squad.
I won that jersey today.
They had a raffle to support Soccer in the Streets. Four drawings, two for United fans and two for Arsenal supporters. One for each was a gift card to the pub. The other was a signed jersey. The Arsenal jersey was an Alexis shirt signed by the 2014-2015 squad.
I won that jersey today.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 3:26 pm to cwil177
Yeah but not only are you assuming the new hire can be strong in all the areas Arsene is weak, but you're assuming we aren't going to struggle bc we start faltering in the areas Arsene currently excels.
I'm there are a few managers out there who could do better than Arsene, but there are many many more who would do worse than him. Odds are higher a new manager performs worse than Arsene than better. All depends on if you want to take that risk
I'm there are a few managers out there who could do better than Arsene, but there are many many more who would do worse than him. Odds are higher a new manager performs worse than Arsene than better. All depends on if you want to take that risk
Posted on 5/17/15 at 7:34 pm to tigerfan88
I just think Arsene should be a better tactician. He's been doing this for white some time now.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 7:55 pm to cwil177
Given the restraints of building the new stadium, I don't think any other manager could have kept us in the elite of Europe. Perhaps his time has now faded, but the signings of Ozil and Alexis suggest otherwise.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:23 pm to Sophandros
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Sophandros
like a phoenix, he arises
Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:46 pm to S
So, after seeing West Brom today, I'm thinking Arsenal REALLY need 3pts against Sunderland Wednesday.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:31 pm to Mr. Shake
Why you want to get greedy bro. A nice Sunderland style Nil Nil draw gets us both what we want for next year. Unless you're planning to lose by 8 on Saturday... 
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 8:52 am to cwil177
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I just think Arsene should be a better tactician. He's been doing this for white some time now.
He's shown plenty of tactical variation the past two seasons. Much more than other coaches. We've varied between a high press in the 433 to a low defensive block using a 4231. He's a good tactician, but he's just stubborn.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:00 am to crazy4lsu
Part of being a good tactician is being proactive during games, while also reacting to changes in the game and making necessary tactical changes. I consider stubbornness almost the antithesis to being a good tactician. One must be able to adapt IN game.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 9:01 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 9:39 am to cwil177
I don't get the disdain for Ramsey out wide. He's been excellent there.
Santi has actually had the dip in form. I'd be fine with moving Ramsey back centrally and starting Theo or Jack on the right.
I really think this is the summer to sell Santi. I love the guy, but I feel this season was his peak. Buy Schneiderlin to give us a little more muscle in the middle and let Santi go back to Spain. Good business.
Santi has actually had the dip in form. I'd be fine with moving Ramsey back centrally and starting Theo or Jack on the right.
I really think this is the summer to sell Santi. I love the guy, but I feel this season was his peak. Buy Schneiderlin to give us a little more muscle in the middle and let Santi go back to Spain. Good business.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:20 am to Stewie Griffin
quote:Love the little guy, but this would be the right move.
let Santi go back to Spain
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:23 pm to different arse
It is the right move for him and for the club. He will be missed by the fans and in the locker room. Seems like a genuinely good person who just loves what he does.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:33 pm to glassman
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What are y'alls take on his opinion of Alexis? I know the consensus across the board is that we need an upgrade over Coq, but do you think Alexis may be the answer at centre foward? Of course, that would have to come with signing someone for left midfield, like Reus or Draxler.
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Francis Coquelin’s defensive work in the past 5 months has been vital, but it is hard to get away from the feeling that if Arsenal are to truly compete for the Premier League title, they’ll need a holding midfielder who can both detroy as well as control. Coquelin does not do that
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Wenger will probably look to sign a creative, but goal-scoring, wide playmaker in the mould of Robert Pires. Alexis is not that player; Alexis is an upgrade on Theo Walcott and a possibility to become an exceptional centre forward, but his contribution in build-up play is too disruptive for him to take on a playmaking role
What are y'alls take on his opinion of Alexis? I know the consensus across the board is that we need an upgrade over Coq, but do you think Alexis may be the answer at centre foward? Of course, that would have to come with signing someone for left midfield, like Reus or Draxler.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:48 pm to different arse
I was really impressed with Alexis when he was at CF. Not sure he is the answer though. His buildup play is the weakest part of his game, so maybe getting him closer to goal is a potential solution. His passing has killed so many breaks it drives me nuts.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:29 pm to cwil177
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One must be able to adapt IN game.
That's where he actually is adaptable. It's the principles of attacking that he is very stubborn about. If anything he waits too long to make changes, but he makes changes very often. People have latched onto this narrative that he doesn't focus on tactics, which is silly. The fact that he's been willing to sacrifice his principles of attacking for the sake of not losing big games is where a major change has occurred. But he has long tinkered. Hell, for each of the last 6 seasons, we've had a new formation at the start of the year. That's the definition of someone who is tactically adaptable. The aim has been to be balanced and attacking, which is extremely difficult for any team that is focused on attacking.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:12 pm to crazy4lsu
I think we are differing on our definitions of being tactically flexible. The formation tinkering is nice. But that said, I appreciate making changes to a stagnant attack. I hate that he waits til the 80th minute to sub players. Wilshire and Walcott changed the Manure game in a big way. That change should have come earlier, imo, although a 70th minute change from Arsene was a pleasant surprise (ie earlier than I expected). It bothers me that all the fans at Finn's realized that that game really needed Jack and Walcott to open things up, seemingly before Arsene himself did. For the record, I would have brought those two in around the 60th minute. But god damn do those 86th minute subs really piss me off. What's the point?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 3:31 pm to cwil177
Well we created lots of chances in the ten minutes before they came on. Wenger never likes changing the balance of a team when they are playing well. The bigger key was moving Ramsey back into midfield where he took over. Santi looked tired. The big mistake was relying on Santi when he played poorly in the first half. Ramsey would have been a better partner for Coqeulin and Walcott would have done well against Rojo. I was more disappointed he selected the same starting eleven.
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