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re: Arsenal 2013/2014 Season Long Thread

Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:30 pm to
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:30 pm to
Well giroud did better than everyone not on pool. Aguero was hurt so he would have had much better numbers. Other than that, do y'all really want to pay what Chelsea and city spent on their strikers to get such a shite return? No. So don't go blowing money on a striker when giroud just needs someone to let him breathe.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:40 pm to
Theo and Aaron being injured hurt Giroud's productivity. It hurt the entire team as well as Ozil's injury. Don't forget Wilshere as well. Four of our best attacking players missed so much time.

Fourth and a trophy... Tell me that after the Villa loss on opening day and I'll run to the bank.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:46 pm to
The problem with Giroud isn't his lack of productivity (well I take that back, it kind of is) but the fact that there isn't anyone else up top to pick up the slack. Notice the other teams have multiple strikers putting the goals in.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:05 pm to
He has over 20 goals in all competitions and over 10 assists. Those numbers would have been so much better with Aaron, Theo and Mesut healthy in the second half of the season. Do we need cover, of course we do. But he is a damn good hold up player. There was no one available for runs with those three hurt.

Our form with Ozil and Ramsey back has been so much better. Not rocket science.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:29 pm to
I get all that, but we need someone who can turn and make runs at the defense, not rely solely on service from the wings for a tap-in/header. You know, for when we have our inevitable injuries.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:53 pm to
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You know, for when we have our inevitable injuries.


A given for sure.

We do need a run and go guy, yes. Dmcic(sp?) Or Theo when he is ready to play in the middle.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:43 am to
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Notice the other teams have multiple strikers putting the goals in.


And most likey ramsey and walcott have around 20 a piece if not injured. Im just looking at those numbers, Dzeko to torres. good god that is an awful return on those strikers. This brings me back to there isnt a perfect striker out there and we arent getting suarez so we need to spend the big money elsewhere.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 2:48 am
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:15 am to
Not sure that chart should give you that feeling, especially when Giroud has more starts than any of those listed, some by a large margin.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:57 pm to
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I get all that, but we need someone who can turn and make runs at the defense, not rely solely on service from the wings for a tap-in/header. You know, for when we have our inevitable injuries.



That's the biggest thing. I would take our first 11 healthy against almost anyone in the world and like our chances. But that's not realistic.

Giroud works great with a Ramsey, who is constantly making runs and moving defenders, and even with Theo, who can get behind when Giroud drops in.

But when we have two slow holding midfielders who won't threaten a backline and two wingers who want the ball at their feet, Giroud looks awful.

When he's best is getting the ball at his feet and hitting someone making the secondary run. That can devastate a defense, but it requires speed and stamina behind Giroud. When that's not there, we don't work with him.

But, his back to goal play has been exceptional all year, and he's good at getting on the end of a ball when he's fresh and not frustrated.

Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Or Theo when he is ready to play in the middle.



He looked ready to me this year.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 3:18 pm to
i think our top XI can play with anyone in the world, for sure, but it's still got it's weaknesses (per and arteta's immobility being key among them, imo). would really like to see us be a more mobile, direct side next season. or at least transition into more of that.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:20 pm to
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Not sure that chart should give you that feeling, especially when Giroud has more starts than any of those listed, some by a large margin.


I get that, but most of his goals came at beginning and end, after he had been rested. We don't need to shell out 30+ mil on a striker to get us 6 goals and play 12 games. That's the point I'm getting at, plus durability can't be understated in the value of a player. If said player sits on the bench or in the stands, he's not helping the squad. Yes wee need a striker, but I feel like a cm is more important to slowly transition away from arteta. Then there is the whole thing with Ramsey and jack rarely being healthy together so you absolutely can't rely on just them and Mr glass. Because then we are stuck with only arteta, who IMO has out played his physical limitations. But dies have limitations that are more noticeable hen he's the last line of defense when you cbs push up for set pieces.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Toby Flenderson
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:40 pm to
After the Europa game today I would be 100% behind a move for Pogba from Juve. Kid would be special at the Emirates
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:42 pm to
We probably have 0% chance of getting him. Paris (aka the Qataris) are ready to throw 70 million euros at Juve and we can't compete with that obviously.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:10 pm to
If we only needed him, we could throw that much around. That is the problem. We will need a striker, RB and CB as well. Hell we need a wing player too.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:44 pm to
Yeah, pogba is amazing, but we don't need to expend that money on a b2b mf when we already have Ramsey.

Also, seems like drmic is staying in Germany
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:47 pm to
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seems like drmic is staying in Germany


Well... who then?
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:49 pm to
Ehh it's still early in transfer sagas. Also being durable is a skillset, especially for Arsenal. There's value in Giroud being able to play 50 games a season if need be, even if his production wanes. Obviously we need upgrades and/or competition, but knowing he'll most likely at least be able to play is reassuring.
Posted by Toby Flenderson
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

We probably have 0% chance of getting him. Paris (aka the Qataris) are ready to throw 70 million euros at Juve and we can't compete with that obviously.



I knew it would be a longshot but damn that blows
Posted by Jabroni
USA
Member since Jan 2013
673 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:41 pm to
You all sell Arsenal so short, if I told you a year ago Arsenal would sign Özil, you would all laugh at me.

There is supposedly ~120 million to be spent, let's spend it. Cavani, Bender and Aurier are huge positions of need...they wouldn't cost 100 combined. Arsenal finally have money again and they need to be aggressive. Maybe I'm delusional but this window will establish Arsenal as the club they should be. The trophies are going to start flooding in, let's believe.
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