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re: 2014/2015 Winter Transfer Thread

Posted on 8/24/14 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by PTBob
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 6:43 pm to
He's injured!
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 6:44 pm to
Oh shite, you're right.

Who would play RB for y'all? Valencia? Is one of those Brazilian twins still around?
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:32 pm to
Thing is, 3-5-2 is probably the best formation for the players they currently have. The only part of the team arguably weaker than the CBs are the CMs.

The defense just look so chaotic to me. And as a Liverpool fan, I am more than qualified to identify chaos in a defense. Everytime Sunderland drove forward it seemed like someone was making a mistake, defenders were scrambling around, awful back passes were being made, etc.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:38 pm to
And their personnel (granted a lot are hurt) has played a huge deal. Their wing back play has to be better and the CM's have to be much better to control the middle of the field. That and I think they could use a good, experienced CB to help organize and settle the backline.
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7102 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:48 pm to
Rafael, Valencia or Phil jones

3-5-2 is a convenient way to get rvp Rooney and mata all on the field in their preferred positions. 4-3-3 is out future I believe which means someone is going to be "out of position".

But yeh, we need more players and I really think we should keep Welbeck. Love that guy.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

the CM's have to be much better to control the middle of the field. That and I think they could use a good, experienced CB to help organize and settle the backline.


That's the salient point.
Success with the 3-5-2 depends on midfielders really controlling the match and not losing possession in dangerous places. This is what Man U from the couple of matches I've seen desperately miss.

Di Maria as an attacking midfielder instead of a less defensively aware/capable guy like Mata could help but the real issue, as you point out, is a tough ball winning DM who's also good enough in possession to not lose the ball when pressed and to take advantage of the increased opportunity to get forward.

That and better CBs (but that's the case regardless of their formation.)


It's not like they don't know this as they have seemed to attempt to get Vidal/Strootman etc and Benatia et al.

If I were a Man U fan I would be happier to see the entire billion pounds (or whatever it is they'll spend) just used to get a couple of these type guys at any price and forget the attack.

For example, Benatia's relationship with Roma is passed the breaking point and he will be sold if someone bids enough. Instead of overpaying for an array of attackers just offer whatever it takes in fees/salary to get that done. Maybe they will.

The DM (+ maybe a better box to box type too) will be tougher to get an absolutely top notch guy.
However, there's got to a hundred or so available for a high end bid that would be much better than what they have now.

This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:14 pm to
Liverpool and Man Utd think they are playing FIFA. Buy some defenders for God's sake.

Actually, don't. Makes it easier on us.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:37 pm to
It's very possible we could have 3 new regulars on our backline. But I think with the system we have and Gerrard playing as the holding midfielder, we're gonna be susceptible to giving up goals no matter what.
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
34741 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:50 pm to
Just can't believe with all the money you guys have spent/have to spend neither has made a big CB signing.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6194 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:08 pm to
Lovren's not a HUGE name, but I think he's better than what we had and he gives us a leader in the back. And with CL football, our biggest problem wasn't replacing Suarez, but trying to get depth throughout the team, and I think we did that. All in all, I'm pretty pleased with our transfer window. Depending on how the first half of the season goes, I could see us going for a big name CM
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23264 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:10 pm to
We spent £20mm on Lovren... That's the guy we identified as our CB target and got him... I like him and think he could be the leader we need back there.

I don't think we were ever going to go the £30mm + route on a CB and I'm glad we didn't since the CB market was kinda out of whack this summer..
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:11 pm to
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since the CB market was kinda out of whack this summer.
thanks a lot PSG
Posted by RandySavage
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:44 pm to
Fair enough, I actually forgot about Lovren. Man U though...

Anyways, should be a good one tomorrow!
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9015 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:48 pm to
Yeah, I think Lovren was a very good signing.

The top notch DM market seems tougher than CBs, which are simply expensive but they are available.

Absolutely elite DMs with box to box skills are a rarer breed than good CBs lately.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:06 pm to
Liverpool bought a #1 CB, #1 LB and #1 RB. What are you talking about? ETA for £32m + Manquillo's wages. United spent that much just on their LB, and they are spending twice that much on an attacking midfielder. I just don't really understand it.

MOTD broke down United pretty well today. The CBs are so timid. They don't move into space. They barely play the ball forward. Smalling at one point had almost 50 yards of open space in front of him and he drove forward maybe 10 yards, looking like he had never had a ball at his feet before. Fletcher and Cleverly were atrocious. Couldn't complete simple passes, gave the ball away cheaply, casually jogging around the field.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 11:08 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126587 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:35 am to
quote:

sky reporting £64m


yea the numbered jumped in like 3 hours. Gary Neville hit the nail on the head. United has lost all negotiating power right now. We are basically putting Madrid in the black for buying James.

quote:

Is he going to play wingback or cm? How the frick does he fit in a 3-5-2?



We need more help in the middle but if anything. Buying him could be the first move to a 4-3-3.

quote:

He's a massive player but that money should be spent first and foremost on a top, top CB (probably 2) and a CM.



Looks like money is no object. This is reminiscent of those SAF spending sprees once every 7 years to reload or his once every 3 or 4 years breaking the british transfer record only getting one player in the off season. Id rather do this now than go in the mode of buy buy buy buy every window that so many clubs are doing.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126587 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:58 am to
quote:

Buy some defenders for God's sake.



wut Shaw and Rojo
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:58 am to
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Looks like money is no object.


I agree and that's probably for the best right now, but what happens if United miss CL? Don't y'all lose some sponsorship money? I have zero clue about the financials, but how do you comply with FFP after that?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126587 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 4:04 am to
Some money but I don't think that clause is until next season. FFP wise we are fine esp with all the players we will be selling and other revenue streams.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:56 am to
Are you sure? United have spent £244m since Chelsea bought Hazard (2012)
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 6:57 am
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