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re: Zelensky is pissed we slowed Starlink so he will stop bombing refineries

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Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69285 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:47 am to
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Lol @ same level. Didn't know Ukraine was supporting Iran, NK, and Cuba. Didn't know they supported Syria and Venezuela either.


There is not just one way to be an enemy to the USA. Ukraine is clearly not our friend in any way.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185617 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:48 am to
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They fought against us in Korea and helped our enemy in the Vietnam War.


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They lined up st the Iron Curtain hoping to see America pull out of Europe so they could capture more of Europe.



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Since the Cold War ended


Cold War didn't end until 1991, buddy.



Also,


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They opposed our interests in the ME enabling Americans to die from terrorist bombings



Opposed how?
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3985 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:48 am to
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There is not just one way to be an enemy to the USA. Ukraine is clearly not our friend in any way.

Is everyone who isn't your friend considered your enemy?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43365 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:48 am to
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There is not just one way to be an enemy to the USA. Ukraine is clearly not our friend in any way.


They helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
71347 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:49 am to
The executive carries out foreign policy. You are making the mistake of thinking like Vindman.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69285 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:53 am to
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They helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq.


I'm not sure how this is supposed to refute my statement. Fighting Islamic terrorists is good for all, not just us.
Posted by Jesterea
Member since Nov 2011
1244 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:54 am to
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Opposed how?


Supporting Iran?
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
8213 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:54 am to
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Ukraine is clearly not our friend in any way.


This is total jibberish.

Russia is one of (if not the) largest geopolitical rivals of the US going back like 70 years. Ukraine is bleeding them, setting their economy (and military capabilities) back a deade plus.

We, the US, are getting this benefit for pennies on the dollar (the cost of our support for Ukraine, which is now next to nothing vs the cost of an actual war w Russia involving US forces).

We don't have to be Ukraines friend to ackowledge the service they're providing the US (and Europe).



Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
100118 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:56 am to
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There is zero benefit to us protecting Ukraine


Can’t wait for the rebuttal on this
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
71347 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:56 am to
It's all muh hegemony BS.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185617 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:57 am to
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I'm not sure how this is supposed to refute my statement. Fighting Islamic terrorists is good for all, not just us.



Uzbekistan and Nicaragua both also helped us in Iraq, but that doesn’t mean we owe them an indefinite debt of gratitude, especially when both are now under leadership that doesn’t align with our interests.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43365 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 9:58 am to
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Opposed how?


They sided Iran, Syria, and Egypt and funded radical groups who attacked and killed American troops in peace keeping missions in the Middle East.

They helped Iraq and embolden them to invade Kuwait.They are still helping Iran.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185617 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:01 am to
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Supporting Iran?



How, specifically, during the ME wars did Russia support Iran?

Russia was supporting Iran well before the ME wars. All they did was not stop that support

Even the US military is unsure if the supplies Iran gave Iraqi Shiite militias were of Russian origin.

So I will ask you again to be more specific on how Russia helped Iran as a deliberate attempt to hurt the US during the ME wars?

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43365 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:02 am to
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We don't have to be Ukraines friend to ackowledge the service they're providing the US (and Europe).


It’s funny how the same crew says Ukraine is fighting a proxy war for the West and then changes their claim to Ukraine needs to surrender.

Ukraine can’t be doing our bid and be going against our wishes.
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3985 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:02 am to
Russia would fund an Armadillo if it had a stated goal of destabilizing the US.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185617 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:09 am to
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They sided Iran, Syria, and Egypt



They had been doing that since 1991, at least

They also armed Iraq before Saddam invaded Kuwait, but then condemned the invasion.

Giving a country weapons doesn't mean you told it to invade another country.

By your standards, imagine how Russia feels about us. We spent decades trying to weaken the Soviet Union, funded fighters who killed Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan, and kept expanding NATO closer to Russia after the Cold War.

You can't act like Russia is evil for doing things our own country has done for years.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
8213 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:12 am to
Whatever Putin is paying Trump, the ROI has been incredible. I think Trump is afaird of him, honestly. He's getting pushed around constantly.

Just in the past week ish Trump has:

-Restricted starshield for Ukraine.
-struck a deal to buy diesel (10 days worth ish)
-Canceled Granham sanctions
-Demanded Ukraine replace Z
-Totally forgiven Russia for helping Iran, who is fighting the US




Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185617 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:12 am to
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It’s funny how the same crew says Ukraine is fighting a proxy war for the West and then changes their claim to Ukraine needs to surrender.


To be fair, since this war started, I've said that Russia is not nearly as concerning as China.

Many of you are living in the past and act like modern Russia is the threat the USSR was.

In other words, we don't need Ukraine fighting a proxy war for us.

Trump alone has done more to undermine Russia than the Ukraine war ever could. Taking Venezuela alone hurt Russia more than Ukraine ever will.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
185617 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:13 am to
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Whatever Putin is paying Trump, the ROI has been incredible.



What a retard you are.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43365 posts
Posted on 10/19/26 at 10:13 am to
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Just in the past week ish Trump has: -Restricted starshield for Ukraine. -struck a deal to buy diesel (10 days worth ish) -Canceled Granham sanctions -Demanded Ukraine replace Z -Totally forgiven Russia for helping Iran, who is fighting the US


Wow
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