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re: Young men are saved. 2 left wing nuts give oped in NYT regarding masculinity
Posted on 5/30/26 at 6:42 pm to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 5/30/26 at 6:42 pm to TigerFanatic99
I’m not sure why you guys even give her the time. No one systematically has an issue with black people. Their victim mentality won’t ever let them join us in normal society. Thats the crux of the issue.
Posted on 5/30/26 at 6:45 pm to UtahCajun
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White supremacy and the patriarchy.
Two things that do not exist and have never actually existed, but need to exist so that money can be fleeced in one way or another. Plus thier existence gives people ways to blame anyone, but themselves, for their own shortcomings.
Shining examples of first world only problems.
The very people who decry "conspiracy theories" hold a worldview that everything is a conspiracy.
Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:27 pm to Roaad
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Patriarchy exists, too
It's just the best, most natural, and most beneficial (to both genders) way to organize possible.
This is the correct answer, but it doesn't go quite far enough.
There has never been a true matriarchal society. Ever. Not in the context of force (which is a feminist concept, btw).
Women cannot physically overpower men. Force and/or the threat of force is what backs all institutional power. It's ALL that backs institutional power.
I don't care who makes the laws or occupies positions of government or sits on the throne. The segment of the population who enforces the edicts of those institutions actually has the power.
Men enforce institutional edits, therefore, men have the actual power. Having more female senators or Congresspeople or a female POTUS doesn't change that.
Men always have and always will enforce institutional edicts. Men will always have the true power.
When men decide within a society to take away women's "rights," they do. At will. Afghanistan started rolling back women's rights within 48 hours of the US leaving that country. Many countries in the Middle East and Africa limit women's rights at will.
So the patriarchy is 100% real. But it's also the only possibility. Women cannot truly "be in power," because they ultimately can't enforce their own edicts. They need men to do so for them. There are multiple examples of men deciding to limit women's rights, even today, in 2026. There's never been an example in all of history of women doing the same to men. Because they can't. They're not capable of it. Again, this idea was first articulated by feminist writers.
So in that context, all of the ninny grad-school nonsense cubs loves to parrot on these subjects has some problems.
Because it means that men gave women the vote. It means that men are responsible for the situation we have now, in which women have higher home ownership, are more educated, still get massively preferential treatment in divorce courts and custody disputes, still don't have to register with selective services while men still universally do, get preferential hiring treatment via DEI in most large corporations and government, can literally institutionally do anything that men can do, plus things that men can't, such as kill their children. Women literally have the sole legal power to decide whether innocent, non-combatant human beings live or die.
And men have allowed the conditions the led to women having all of this.
Because you can't claim men are in charge, then at the same time claim that they didn't have the power to stop all of that if they had wanted to. That would be a very weak patriarchy.
And no, women did not "fight" for any of that. Marching with pussy hats on is not "fighting." They didn't fire a shot, they didn't have any casualties of war, they bitched and moaned and—as often happens in the home—men decided that they would rather have relative peace than continue to oppose them (and to be fair, many of them also thought it was the right thing to do...they were right about some of those things are wrong about others), but make no mistake, if the men were in charge in 1750, they were still in charge in 1925, and 1965, and 2000, and today.
And it will always be that way. So feminism is a self-defeating philosophy. Because it seeks to eradicate the patriarchy, but it depends upon the patriarchy to eradicate it.
Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:42 pm to 4cubbies
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Not a white man denying the existence of systems that benefit him.
Not a white bitch denying the systems were invented, implemented, and died for by white men.
Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:45 pm to wackatimesthree
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Women cannot truly "be in power," because they ultimately can't enforce their own edicts. They need men to do so for them.
You’re basically reducing men to weapons. Could women use different weapons to enforce edicts?
quote:. It’s interesting that you’re framing this like It’s a bad thing.
They didn't fire a shot, they didn't have any casualties of war,
Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:58 pm to 4cubbies
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You’re
Not me. I made it pretty clear that this Force Doctrine came from feminist writings.
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Could women use different weapons to enforce edicts?
No.
Women (collectively) don't design weapons and their ability to use them is impaired by relatively weak upper body strength and grip strength. Just loading a spring loaded handgun magazine is a challenge for the average woman, much less loading 60 lb tank shells.
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It’s interesting that you’re framing this like It’s a bad thing.
I guess it would be if that were really the truth, but as usual, it's not. All I was doing was cutting off the, "Men didn't let women have those things, they FOUGHT for them!"
If women could achieve all of those things despite men's best efforts to prevent it without firing a shot or suffering a single casualty, then the patriarch can't be that oppressive, can it?
That—of course—was the point. No value judgement was stated or implied.
This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:16 pm to wackatimesthree
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No.
Women (collectively) don't design weapons and their ability to use them is impaired by relatively weak upper body strength and grip strength. Just loading a spring loaded handgun magazine is a challenge for the average woman, much less loading 60 lb tank shells.
You already sneered at the fact that women were able to acquire rights and leverage without bloodshed. Why wouldn’t the strategies they employed to achieve their objectives be considered weapons?
quote:or perhaps women’s strategic and relentless use of their weapons against it simply paid off?
If women could achieve all of those things despite men's best efforts to prevent it without firing a shot or suffering a single casualty, then the patriarch can't be that oppressive, can it?
This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 5/30/26 at 11:50 pm to 4cubbies
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You already sneered
Why do you lie? I made it very clear what that was about. Twice now. Why do you have to lie about it? Is your position that weak?
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Why wouldn’t the strategies they employed to achieve their objectives be considered weapons?
The same reason that a human being with a dick and balls from birth is a man—not a women—just because they "self-identify" as a woman. In other words, because it's the reality of the situation.
Put it this way. Has anybody ever won a battle in a war using the strategies that women used that you're referring to? Have any resistant criminals been subdued using them? No? Then they aren't weapons of force.
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or perhaps women’s strategic and relentless use of their weapons against it simply paid off?
Again, which wars or battles have been won against actual forceful oppression that way?
I'm not talking about peaceful non-compliance. Because the problem with peaceful non-compliance is that if the oppressor is unmoved by it, it doesn't work. Again I offer the examples I gave before in the Middle East and Africa. Peaceful non-compliance is useless in those contexts. That's real oppression.
Peaceful non-compliance only works if it persuades the party in power to change its own mind, which doesn't contradict what I am saying; it actually proves it. Also, in those cases it almost always ends up looking like the power party deciding that the political or practical nuisance or disruption simply isn't worth it anymore rather than having a change of heart.
But even in that context, the women's rights movement in America is a very weak example of peaceful non-compliance. I could find one example of women marching on behalf of women's rights experiencing violence (in 1913) as a result of their protests (and none of them were killed). Compare that with the number of blacks who were lynched or assassinated over civil rights activism.
Finally, I'm also not even aware of any collective non-compliance associated with feminism other than a few sit-ins at the Ladies Home Journal and the Oak Room, etc. (which alone illustrates how the feminist oppression narrative in the west is vastly exaggerated).
So did a lot of women act insufferable for a while and march and protest? Sure. A lot still do even though if anything, women are now institutionally advantaged over men.
But here's the thing you can't get away from. The feminists were right about this. If tomorrow, men in society collectively decided that women should have all rights stripped away, that's what would happen, and women wouldn't be able to do anything about it as long as men continued to want it to be that way.
The reverse is not true.
This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 5/31/26 at 7:44 am to 4cubbies
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Not a white man denying the existence of systems that benefit him.
Not a stupid count trying to demolish western society.
Posted on 5/31/26 at 7:50 am to 4cubbies
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consider if men or whites people in general benefit from some societal structures?
My father's race and gender got him passed over for a company job (1990s, Mobil oil Gulf platform) where the company asked him to train the black woman they hired instead.
White privilege, right?
Oh yeah, the dumb bitch eventually got fired for safety violations. She was shite at her job but they didn't fire her until she put others lives at risk.
This post was edited on 5/31/26 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:04 am to 4cubbies
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Sure. One historical example would be housing policy and mortgage lending in the mid-20th century United States. Programs like FHA-backed loans and redlining practices disproportionately expanded homeownership opportunities for white families while excluding many Black families from the same wealth-building mechanisms.
Basically, lending noticed the ceiling bird crowd couldn't afford and generally couldn't keep up expensive properties so fewer members of said tribe made it into these areas.
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Another example would be criminal sentencing disparities, where multiple studies have found Black defendants often receive harsher sentences than similarly situated white defendants.
Yep, because black defendants often have longer rap sheets.
You can have two aggravated assaults, but if one person is a first time offender and the other person has 6 other violent felonies on their record the latter will generally get a harsher sentencing.
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Healthcare outcomes are another example. Multiple studies have found that Black patients in the United States often receive different treatment than white patients even when controlling for insurance status, income, and reported symptoms.
Beyond what another poster already stated, black patients are largely non-compliant, leaning heavily on insulin shots instead of exercising impulse control and managing their diet, continuing smoking after diagnosed with COPD, etc.
This post was edited on 5/31/26 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:10 am to 4cubbies
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All black people live in crime-ridden areas and only seek medical treatment in crime-ridden areas where inferior doctors practice?
Do all blacks have to live in crime ridden areas to make an impact in the statistics?
Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:21 am to Azkiger
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Do all blacks have to live in crime ridden areas to make an impact in the statistics?
To your point, almost half of Black people are on Medicaid.
Good doctors will avoid Medicaid due to the limits on payments and general red tape requiring expensive office staff.
That has to have an impact.
Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:23 am to Narax
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To your point, almost half of Black people are on Medicaid.
Good doctors will avoid Medicaid due to the limits on payments and general red tape requiring expensive office staff.
That has to have an impact.
Nope, its racism.
These same progressive colleges that constantly ban conservative speakers produce a bunch of kkk doctors who just hate blacks.
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