re: Young men are saved. 2 left wing nuts give oped in NYT regarding masculinity

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Unless explicitly delineated otherwise, I assume every thread is about the USA.

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I guess my bottom line is that if someone is to make a claim, similar to racisim, sexism, etc...what is the calibrating standard that was used to make a claim like that? Why is this claim only made in the western 1st world countries? Things like "the patriarchy" isn't even a thing in western 2nd world countries.

I think we have too much time to worry about too many things, that at the end of the day, doesn't really matter. Seems it has only made things worse over time. American women are more unhappy today. American minorities are more unhappy today. Neither have ever held more power, influence or wealth than they do today.

Where does this end? What is the end goal?

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I think that we are in an abysmal state.

I think the reality is that we’ve always had patriarchy at the intersection of capitalism and white supremacy, and how those things feast on one another and lift one another. But I think right now, more times than not, the role models that these young boys and young men have are not only divisive and toxic but insidious and heinous, disgusting. Truly, I mean, the president of the United States is an alleged rapist. What does that mean? You know, the popular thing that boys are watching is largely M.M.A., right? So I think we’re in a horrible place.

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First words out of this idiot's mouth. Made sure to get all the buzzwords in by the second sentence.

And, cool, can we men wax expertise in these same media conversations about femininity that all these women enjoy the same privilege regarding masculinity?

AI rocks

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White supremacy and the patriarchy.

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I think I get what you’re trying to say. People throw around these terms like hotcakes now for no other reason than to get money, get attention, and deflect blame. So much so that it nearly eradicates any meaning of the terms.

But if you don’t believe Western countries historically didnt believe in or enact policies based on racial superiority… I simply don’t know what to tell you.

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Not a white man denying the existence of systems that benefit him.

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Ahh and here she is, lol. The women who knows nothing about masculinity(hates men as a gender) lecturing to us about masculinity.
If y’all want to see what a matriarchal society run by the 4cubbies of the world look at the African American society. Their families are matriarchies run by women and have been for decades. A community in chaos. Major problems in almost every area of life and run by single moms raising boys.

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Idk why y’all make bizarre assumptions about me and my family. We’re pretty wholesome and normal.

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Thank God for your husband because you would ruin your son if you raised him alone.

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Jim Crow, we have separate but equal happening now, everywhere. Is that driven by white supremacy or not?

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What do you think is driving it?

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Because better doctors refrain from opening practices in more crime-ridden areas.

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All black people live in crime-ridden areas and only seek medical treatment in crime-ridden areas where inferior doctors practice?

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All black people live in crime-ridden areas and only seek medical treatment in crime-ridden areas where inferior doctors practice?

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No, but the controls don't all go to affluence. One of the biggest criticisms in the NIH study, was that blacks tend to be uninsured and underinsured across all economic classes. . .even in the highest brackets.

The controls said they accounted for this, but they didn't

Primarily because the methodology was questionnaires from the patients

The best way to think of the study is "Black people FEEL they get worse care than whites"

Here is the study you are drawing from. You should read it. It is pretty funny. They almost directly start with the conclusion and work backwards.

Second paragraph of the introduction

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In addition to structural racism, implicit bias—defined as unconscious attitudes, positive or negative, toward a person, group, or idea—often leads to differential treatment based on perceived race.2,3 Implicit bias further restricts quality healthcare as a separate factor above and beyond inequities of structural racism.

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IOW since that is obviously true, we will assume this about all disparities

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Sure. One historical example would be housing policy and mortgage lending in the mid-20th century United States. Programs like FHA-backed loans and redlining practices disproportionately expanded homeownership opportunities for white families while excluding many Black families from the same wealth-building mechanisms.

Another example would be criminal sentencing disparities, where multiple studies have found Black defendants often receive harsher sentences than similarly situated white defendants.

Healthcare outcomes are another example. Multiple studies have found that Black patients in the United States often receive different treatment than white patients even when controlling for insurance status, income, and reported symptoms.

None of this means white men universally benefit in every situation or that individual white men cannot struggle.

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I appreciate the actual dialog.

1.) What lending policies targeted black people, or helped only white people? What in the policies targeted only white people for benefits? I'm trying to find the tie to actual race and not behavior or culture.

2.) Healthcare I can see if individual doctors are racist, and treat black people differently, but how is that systemic? What in medical codes or regulations systemically benefit white people over black people?

You and others keep bringing up systemic roadblocks to black people, but maybe it's because I'm just not as smart of you but I can't find them. I will wholly agree that there is a correlation between negative outcomes and black skin color in a lot of areas that you don't see correlated with white skin color, but that correlation does not equal causation.

I think there's a lot more issues with cultural issues that black people as a generalization adopt holding them back as a race than systemic racial issues.

I don't hate black people. Probably 20 or 30% of the people I socialize with on a weekly basis are black. I absolutely hate the gun and crime culture that black people glorify at a rate objectively much, much more than temper races.

I think there's a rabbit hole to go down there as well regarding urban populations compared to rural or suburban populations too, though. I live in a rural / light suburban area on the outskirts of South Bend, IN, so the people I associate with are from this same area.