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re: You guys realize the word "shithole" isn't what people are upset about, right?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
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The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places. Even if you strip away the possible (likely?) racist angle, you are still left with what is clearly class-based discrimination, and IMO that isn't the way the land of opportunity should present itself to the world.
Tell me where Trump suggested that no immigration whatsoever should be allowed from "shite hole" countries...I'll wait.
Also, I love the moving of the goalposts. It never fails.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:42 pm to L.A.
quote:Likewise.
I've tried explaining my point to you twice already and you clearly don't understand it. I don't think a third time will help.
ETA: You are asking a question that none of us can answer. You want to know the marketable skills of these immigrants I linked. It's a nice question to ask when it's obvious the answer to your question cannot be answered in any semblance of accuracy. I like to think however, that someone who wants to legally come to America and get a degree at the least has some sort of skill that will be beneficial to America.
But anyways, your question is an easy one to ask when you know it can't be answered.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:FIFY
The upsetting thing is that Trump is President
All the rest is
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:52 pm to moneyg
quote:Oh I get it. Picking winners and losers from a group of Americans = bad. Picking winners and loser from other countries = good. Am I smart now?quote:Holy shite, you are dumb.
So now conservatives are alright with government meddling in the economy?
FYI: Nearly all policies have an economic component, and I was only trying (I guess unsuccessfully) to point out that bit of conservative hypocrisy. Specifically, for conservatives, it seems that government's power and influence over the economy should be as limited as possible... except in cases where more influence over the economy aligns with other conservative tenets. That's not necessarily a bad thing, and neither is hypocrisy itself (I think we are all hypocrites). I simply wanted to get confirmation that conservatives can align themselves with policy (and specifically policy where people get to decide who gets what opportunity) that impacts the economy (for future conversations regarding regulation, etc.)
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:53 pm to Korkstand
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And that's fine. Merit-based immigration policy is a good idea. The problem is thinking that a person's place of birth is indicative of merit.
Now who’s fabricating context?
His context wasn’t saying that all people from “shithole countries” are without merit, it was clearly about “why do you Dems want unmerited people from shithole countries”.
But you go on twisting this like all you Lefties can do.
You know damn well Dems prefer to have impoverished and unmerited immigrants come in because they are 1000x more likely to become Democrat voters dependent on the gubment teet.
To deny this would just prove you’re consistency of intellectual dishonesty.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:53 pm to deltaland
quote:Unchecked? I would never support that.
If a country is a shithole and you allow unchecked immigration from those countries
quote:I know a lot of people from Alabama living and working in Louisiana. Have they turned it into a shithole yet?
then those people will turn your country into a shithole
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:53 pm to Korkstand
Bec
At what point do we need any immigration? Especially poor uneducated low skill immigration?
quote:
The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places.
At what point do we need any immigration? Especially poor uneducated low skill immigration?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:55 pm to Centinel
quote:No, no... I don't want to prioritize how others view the US, but I do think it is a strong component in what is good for the US.
Your problem is that you want to prioritize how others view the US instead of prioritizing the good of the US over others.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:55 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Oh I get it. Picking winners and losers from a group of Americans = bad.
Yes, because we are all citizens.
quote:
Picking winners and loser from other countries = good.
Now you're getting it!
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:56 pm to Korkstand
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Even if you strip away the possible (likely?) racist angle,
The ones that take the term "shithole country" and turn that into a race based term are truly the racist since they are the ones assuming that all "shithole countries" are run by an inferior race. Is that what the melt is really all about?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:57 pm to AUsteriskPride
quote:Again, not advocating an open door policy. Simply suggesting that national origin is not at all a reliable indicator of merit or value.
I hate to break it to you, but most countries are tough as hell to get into. They want to import contributing talent that will contribute to an economic need, won't contribute to crime, and will assimilate. Don't believe me? Just look up New Zealand's immigration standards.
America has been way too lax way too long.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:59 pm to Korkstand
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Again, not advocating an open door policy. Simply suggesting that national origin is not at all a reliable indicator of merit or value.
On an individual basis, no.
In a general basis, it's a VERY fricking reliable indicator.
I mean shite. Can we at least deal in reality?
Show me 100 random applicants from Haiti vs 100 random applicants from Holland and the former will be no better than 1/10th as likely to meet any decent merit based system.
And for frick's sake, you ALL know that's true.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:01 pm to moneyg
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I would suggest that the American Revolution, the costs and sacrifices that went along with that define this great country. It is who we are. And it makes us better than those unwilling to make that same sacrifice.
It's not surprising that someone who doesn't recognize what truly makes us American can't understand a logical American first policy.
You mean those people who crossed an ocean to escape a government they didn't like? Well son of a bitch.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:01 pm to ShortyRob
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And for frick's sake, you ALL know that's true.
They're actually virtue signaling on an anonymous message board.
How pathetic is that.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:05 pm to CptBengal
quote:Says the leader of the "pr0g filth, amirite guys?!" threads
They're actually virtue signaling on an anonymous message board.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:05 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Even if you strip away the possible (likely?) racist angle, you are still left with what is clearly class-based discrimination, and IMO that isn't the way the land of opportunity should present itself to the world
You are right on point. Trump is trying to dismantle the ideals that America was built on - no more shining light on the hill. He wants white, rich people to migrant to the US. Brown and Blacks need not apply. 100% of what he meant and how he feels.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:06 pm to Geauxst Writer
Are you saying he wants to fundamentally change the country?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:06 pm to Korkstand
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Korkstand
Listen Numbnuts,
I get told on a daily basis that living in Alabama means I live in a trailer park. I'm not offended in the least bit because I know its not true. But if you believe it, maybe you'll stay in whichever state you currently dwell.
So, if words offend you, then there is probably some truth to them in your mind. It seems you and your ilk are the real racists and haters. Maybe you prog-filth bastards need to change your own way of thinking first.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:07 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places.
What?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:09 pm to stat19
quote:
So, if words offend you, then there is probably some truth to them in your mind.
quote:
You guys realize the word "shithole" isn't what people are upset about, right?
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