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Yet another setback for Louisiana Education (HB269)
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:12 am
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:12 am
On its face, there should be no reason to vote against this bill. On another level, there seems to be apprehension from certain sectors that it would expose the notion that a culture (and voting base) that decries inequality and discrimination also rejects any opportunity to transcend those shackles and instead opt to remain in the throes of ignorance and dependency. What else is behind the curtain?
Bill to hold back Louisiana third graders with reading problems defeated in Senate
Legislation that would have required third graders with reading problems to repeat the grade stumbled near its last legislative stop and was killed Friday by the state Senate. Supporters argued that as much as 40% of third graders don't read proficiently enough to be promoted to the 4th grade. "We're just moving them along," said Sen. Beth Mizell, the Franklinton Republican handling the House Bill 269 for sponsor Rep. Richard Nelson, R-Mandeville. The student would also undergo extensive remedial work, including at least 90 minutes per day during school to work on phonics, fluency, comprehension and other strategies under the measure. The state Senate voted 18-14, which is two shy of the necessary majority to advance. Nelson had argued that Louisiana should adopt a version of the 2013 Mississippi law that backers claim helped spark dramatic improvements in reading skills there.
A 2013 Mississippi law requires third graders to pass a reading assessment - they are given three tries - to qualify for promotion to the fourth grade. Intervention is included after each retest. Student reading skills are assessed three times per year in kindergarten, first, second and third grades, according to the Mississippi Department of Education. Mississippi finished first in the nation for gains on the national report card, with fourth-grade children making the biggest improvement in reading and math between 2017 and 2019. Up to 4,500 students could face promotion problems, based on how Mississippi rolled out its law. Louisiana has about 50,000 third graders. State officials said in 2021 a total of 19% of third graders scored unsatisfactory on an annual English language arts assessment - about 9,500 students. Backers contend the measure makes sense because children who struggle with reading by the end of third grade are almost certain to face academic problems throughout their school years. But state Sen. Louie Bernard, R-Natchitoches, questioned whether children held back would face problems down the road. Republican Sen. J. Rogers Pope, a retired educator from Denham Springs, asked about any studies that show benefits of holding back a student. Others noted that holding back third graders could lead to overcrowded classrooms.
Voting for HB269 (18): President Cortez, Sens, Abraham, Allain, Connick, Fesi, Henry, Hensgens, Hewitt, McMath, Milligan, R. Mills, Mizell, Peacock, Reese, Smith, Stine, Talbot and Ward.
Voting against HB269 (14): Sens Barrow, Bernard, Boudreaux, Bouie, Carter, Jackson, Lambert, Luneau, Mills, F., Morris, Pope, Price, White and Womack.
Not Voting (6): Sens Cathey, Cloud, Fields, Foil, Harris and Tarver.
Bill to hold back Louisiana third graders with reading problems defeated in Senate
Legislation that would have required third graders with reading problems to repeat the grade stumbled near its last legislative stop and was killed Friday by the state Senate. Supporters argued that as much as 40% of third graders don't read proficiently enough to be promoted to the 4th grade. "We're just moving them along," said Sen. Beth Mizell, the Franklinton Republican handling the House Bill 269 for sponsor Rep. Richard Nelson, R-Mandeville. The student would also undergo extensive remedial work, including at least 90 minutes per day during school to work on phonics, fluency, comprehension and other strategies under the measure. The state Senate voted 18-14, which is two shy of the necessary majority to advance. Nelson had argued that Louisiana should adopt a version of the 2013 Mississippi law that backers claim helped spark dramatic improvements in reading skills there.
A 2013 Mississippi law requires third graders to pass a reading assessment - they are given three tries - to qualify for promotion to the fourth grade. Intervention is included after each retest. Student reading skills are assessed three times per year in kindergarten, first, second and third grades, according to the Mississippi Department of Education. Mississippi finished first in the nation for gains on the national report card, with fourth-grade children making the biggest improvement in reading and math between 2017 and 2019. Up to 4,500 students could face promotion problems, based on how Mississippi rolled out its law. Louisiana has about 50,000 third graders. State officials said in 2021 a total of 19% of third graders scored unsatisfactory on an annual English language arts assessment - about 9,500 students. Backers contend the measure makes sense because children who struggle with reading by the end of third grade are almost certain to face academic problems throughout their school years. But state Sen. Louie Bernard, R-Natchitoches, questioned whether children held back would face problems down the road. Republican Sen. J. Rogers Pope, a retired educator from Denham Springs, asked about any studies that show benefits of holding back a student. Others noted that holding back third graders could lead to overcrowded classrooms.
Voting for HB269 (18): President Cortez, Sens, Abraham, Allain, Connick, Fesi, Henry, Hensgens, Hewitt, McMath, Milligan, R. Mills, Mizell, Peacock, Reese, Smith, Stine, Talbot and Ward.
Voting against HB269 (14): Sens Barrow, Bernard, Boudreaux, Bouie, Carter, Jackson, Lambert, Luneau, Mills, F., Morris, Pope, Price, White and Womack.
Not Voting (6): Sens Cathey, Cloud, Fields, Foil, Harris and Tarver.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:17 am to tigerpawl
Before Katrina they had grade 4.5 and grade 8.5, where if you failed math or reading but not both, you'd be assigned to an intensive remediation class to bring you up to grade level.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:19 am to tigerpawl
I wonder if this would apply to special education students.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:22 am to tigerpawl
Look at the same two RINO pieces of shite voting against something all republicans support.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:24 am to tigerpawl
The vote doesn’t piss me off as much as why are they allowed not to vote. It’s your freaking job. Country as a whole needs reboot, like yesterday.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:27 am to tigerpawl
Thees mofos needa stop tryna hole peepl down.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 8:33 am to tigerpawl
Get your kids out of public schools NOW. Just wrote my first tuition check x2 to private school and didn’t even flinch.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 9:02 am to BigMob
Good for you. Do not let your kids be held back by the learning disabilities of a particular demographic.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 9:03 am to LRB1967
quote:
I wonder if this would apply to special education students.
Only to those who follow the gen ed curriculum. In MS, if a SPED student has been retained one year, they get a special exemption.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 9:40 am to tigerpawl
These 6 were too busy to show up for the vote.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 9:56 am to Bestbank Tiger
The bill's biggest problem may have been its author. Nelson is not good at making friends. He is often right, but is incapable of building support for his ideas because of his abrasive nature.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 9:59 am to TigerintheNO
quote:This is total speculation, but I'd be willing to wager that at least 3 of these Senators decided to abstain when enough "Nays" were in the bag. Pretty smart I'd say - playing both sides of the street - at the expense of our children.
These 6 were too busy to show up for the vote.
Somewhat related >>> Do legislators have an obligation to explain why they voted on issues (for or against) when asked by citizens? Find your Senator's email address here
14 Nays (copy/paste into your email): barrowr@legis.la.gov; sen31@legis.la.gov; boudreauxg@legis.la.gov; bouiej@legis.la.gov; carterg@legis.la.gov; jacksonk@legis.la.gov; lamberte@legis.la.gov; luneauj@legis.la.gov; millsf@legis.la.gov; morrisjc@legis.la.gov; poper@legis.la.gov; pricee@legis.la.gov; whitem@legis.la.gov; sen32@legis.la.gov
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:13 am to tigerpawl
Social promotion has been going on for a long time. That's why standardized tests like ACT, SAT became so important years ago. A HS diploma meant nothing if your ACT score was a 10.
But now the left wants social promotion PLUS getting rid of standardized tests because they discriminate.
But now the left wants social promotion PLUS getting rid of standardized tests because they discriminate.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:14 am to tigerpawl
quote:
This is total speculation, but I'd be willing to wager that at least 3 of these Senators decided to abstain when enough "Nays" were in the bag.
All they need was 2 more votes, 6 senators didn't bother voting.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:16 am to tigerpawl
LA is ranked dead last in schools, and this will insure we defend our title.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:26 am to tigerpawl
With regard to reading and learning, students learn to read from pre-K - grade 3, and then read to learn from grade 4 on.
Additionally, there is strong correlation between low-literacy and incarceration.
The Relationship Between Incarceration and Low Literacy - Literacy MidSouth
Reading mastery by grade 3 is essential for highest possibility of graduating high school and avoiding interfacing with the judicial system as a juvenile or adult.
I think this bill would be helpful, but NOT having it on the books doesn’t preclude parents, school administrators, and teachers from working together toward the outcomes stated in the proposed bill.
Additionally, there is strong correlation between low-literacy and incarceration.
The Relationship Between Incarceration and Low Literacy - Literacy MidSouth
Reading mastery by grade 3 is essential for highest possibility of graduating high school and avoiding interfacing with the judicial system as a juvenile or adult.
I think this bill would be helpful, but NOT having it on the books doesn’t preclude parents, school administrators, and teachers from working together toward the outcomes stated in the proposed bill.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:27 am to TigerintheNO
quote:Didn't bother voting to promote it or didn't bother voting to kill it since the grapevine already decided it was DOA - and conveniently kept them from having blood on their hands? See how that works?
6 senators didn't bother voting.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:28 am to Timeoday
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you. Do not let your kids be held back by the learning disabilities of a particular demographic.
That’s really the issue where I live and not wokeism.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:44 am to tigerpawl
This is the root of Louisiana's economic troubles.
Ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room.
When a state has a majority of its' workforce that has low reading comprehension why would any Fortune 500 company even consider locating in Louisiana ? It also leads to high crime and grinding poverty.
The state does not want to invest in hiring all the reading specialist that it would take to get get these children to a 3rd grade level.
Many of the parishes can barely afford what they presently have. Many parishes have difficulty attracting certified teachers with their pay scales.
Maybe its time to defund public education in this state ?
Ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room.
When a state has a majority of its' workforce that has low reading comprehension why would any Fortune 500 company even consider locating in Louisiana ? It also leads to high crime and grinding poverty.
The state does not want to invest in hiring all the reading specialist that it would take to get get these children to a 3rd grade level.
Many of the parishes can barely afford what they presently have. Many parishes have difficulty attracting certified teachers with their pay scales.
Maybe its time to defund public education in this state ?
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:54 am to SantaFe
quote:
Ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room
quote:It’s not about the money or certified teachers. Calling out the real 800lb Gorilla is the real problem.
Many of the parishes can barely afford what they presently have. Many parishes have difficulty attracting certified teachers with their pay scales.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 10:57 am
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