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re: Yesterday, the FBI showed up at the home of a Trump supporter in California. Video in link
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:30 pm to ValhallaAwaits
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:30 pm to ValhallaAwaits
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FBI has Task Force Officers (local and state LEOs) assigned to their various task forces…locals supply TFOs because they are real police who know the streets AND here is the most important part:
FBI pays up to 25k in OT for each TFO and also shares asset seizure funds back to participating local/state agencies.
It’s a damn $ racket and TFOs who should call out FBI nonsense don’t or they’ll lose the money train.
Makes sense. Sounds like state task forces here that are always abused for OT. Like LACE tickets or various checkpoints.
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why are you comparing apples to ball point pens?
I said child porn v. child porn.
It really doesn’t matter. Federal process isn’t comparable to to a local DA for any type of case.
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Fed discovery will be no different than state discovery, for the same crime.
This is fun. I don’t generally delight in humiliating people, so it’s nice that you’ve taken care of it for me. quote:Your posts stand on their own.
Wrong. I've stated my position multiple times without any edits or changes. It's been the same for over a decade.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:33 pm to cwill
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Is it a crime to act in concert with the supposed target to create a fake video?
I wasn't considering that but you pose a good question. Is it legal to pose as an FBI agent in a video like this, that (if fake) would be intended to do something other than entertain.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:40 pm to Taxing Authority
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Federal process isn’t comparable to to a local DA for any type of case.
Other than going faster (which I already said is likely to occur), what is different?
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I don’t generally delight in humiliating people, so it’s nice that you’ve taken care of it for me.
What is the difference in state and fed discovery?
I've done both, but I'd love to hear your guess.
The charge typically makes the discovery, not the prosecuting agency. A DWI (federal or state) v. financial fraud (federal or state) v. murder (federal or state) v. child porn (federal or state) will all have various differences in discovery volume. However, the same charge by either agency will have negligible differences in discovery volume.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:45 pm to Taxing Authority
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Your posts stand on their own
The world's first "libertarian" who trusts that the FBI is never partisan..
.Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hating the FBI has become a very partisan take
...which is a very logical and expected opinion given the premise that the FBI is acting in a partisan manner.
Nevertheless, I (and I assume most others who complain about the fbi) don't want the fbi to be partisan in any direction.
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And there is the partisanship
Partisanship is denying the obvious and/or implicitly supporting partisanship of what is supposed to be a politically neutral agency. That's you.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:06 pm to moneyg
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which is a very logical and expected opinion given the premise that the FBI is acting in a partisan manner.
Limiting to the FBI is where you run into problems (for this discussion).
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Nevertheless, I (and I assume most others who complain about the fbi) don't want the fbi to be partisan in any direction.
Again, they have a bias but it's not based in political parties (which makes it not partisan by definition)...the same as all LEO. That's where the limitation gets the argument killed.
LEO is very, very biased. That bias is not related to political parties. They flex power on people not in the LEO clique and protect the LEO clique above all else.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:09 pm to David_DJS
Bottom line, I can’t confirm anyone in this video is who they say they are - fbi, trump supporter…we’re just told they are by the poster.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The tyranny of the majority is not an excuse.
My post went right over your head.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:34 pm to Tmcgin
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Funny how Trump convinced
Defunding the police is a good thing
Orange world is always upside down
How is it possible for you to so ardently believe the opposite of the truth?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:36 pm to Cuz413
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My post went right over your head.
Not at all. Having the majority support in an area is meaningless to this discussion.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not at all. Having the majority support in an area is meaningless to this discussion.
The Sheriff answers to the people he is supposed to protect and serve.
Who does the FBI serve?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Limiting to the FBI is where you run into problems (for this discussion).
Limiting what?
And, so that we end up full circle...
It's logical to be more concerned about the fbi because the massive power of the federal government makes the fbi more of a threat. In addition, we don't see local law enforcement consistently acting in a specific partisan manner.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:05 pm to cwill
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Bottom line, I can’t confirm anyone in this video is who they say they are - fbi, trump supporter…we’re just told they are by the poster.
this is every post.
If you feel the need, opine with the following disclaimer:
"Under the assumption that this is true...here's what I think..."
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:15 pm to Cuz413
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The Sheriff answers to the people he is supposed to protect and serve.
And what about the people who didn't support him?
The whole point of things like the Constitution is to protect that minority group from the tyranny of the majority.
I imagine most people in here talking about how much they love their local LEO are in that majority position.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:17 pm to moneyg
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Limiting what?
Limiting the claims that only the FBI is the biased LEO outfit.
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because the massive power of the federal government makes the fbi more of a threat.
Day to day, this simply is not true. It's a talking point with no real reflection in reality.
Again, when was the last time you saw a fed in person? When was the last time you saw a local LEO or sheriff in person?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:20 pm to Wishing Well
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I can't understand at all how conservatives have finally figured out the FBI and other similar agencies are not be trusted yet still have a complete mental block when it comes to cops.
I think it’s because even though the local cops haven’t earned our trust, they also HAVEN’T behaved, from the top down, in a purely partisan political way. So they have far more leeway than the purely corrupt Eff Bee Eye.
I have jury duty next week. If they ask me if I trust law enforcement (I was asked this last time), my answer will be “I have a general trust in local police, as I have a vote - directly for sheriff, indirectly for Chief of Police (via the mayor). As for the federal level, if you put FBI or ATF on the stand, I would assume they are lying”
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:21 pm to cwill
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Bottom line, I can’t confirm anyone in this video is who they say they are - fbi, trump supporter…we’re just told they are by the poster.
That's fair. I am skeptical in specific cases, too. But the narrative that the FBI is too intrusive, too focused on only certain illegalities, and selective in administering justice is not wrong.
I also think the question we raised is an interesting one.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And what about the people who didn't support him?
In this scenario I am not asking him to do a damned thing to the people he serves that didn't vote for him. Did you miss that?
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:52 pm to Tmcgin
You’re a literal fricking retard.
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