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re: Wouldn't it make sense for invaders at the southern border to be shot on sight?
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:06 pm to Thundercles
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:06 pm to Thundercles
I've been saying the same for a decade or more. We wouldn't have to kill more than 10 or 20, and the invasion would stop cold. Thousands and thousands of lives would be saved, not to mention the vile predatory actions of coyotes against women and girls trying to come over. It all stops in a matter of days.
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Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:08 pm to JackieTreehorn
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Try walking into China and you’ll be shipped home in a Tupperware bowl.
China has massive illegal migration and smuggling problems too.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:09 pm to Thundercles
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Wouldn't it make sense for invaders at the southern border to be shot on sight?
It makes sense if you want to permanently lose the border/immigration issue politically.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:10 pm to Indefatigable
Has Biden ordered the US Armed Forces to the front to repel this invading force? Because that's what this is, an invasion.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:10 pm to Thundercles
Claymores and alligators will fix it.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:11 pm to Tantal
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We need an automated CIWS like they use on naval vessels,
Gonna need something better than that
Can’t the Phalanx only fire for around a minute or two total before expending its ammo? It’s a cosmetic feel-good weapon that is basically worthless in any real missile strike scenario. Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:13 pm to SoDakHawk
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Has Biden ordered the US Armed Forces to the front to repel this invading force?
The US military is useless by law for this situation.
As much as we call it an invasion, it isn’t one. At least not according to the Posse Comitatus act. Illegal immigration is a violation of domestic law.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:15 pm to Thundercles
It is ironic the country so many people are desperately trying to enter is the Land of Freedom Joe Biden is in the process of destroying.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:18 pm to Azkiger
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Hard to call a mother and child crossing the boarder an invaders.
Than what the hell are they??
If you find a mother and baby at your house one night, wth do you call them? Do you let them stay and live in your house or do you report them to the police or do you kick them out???
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:18 pm to POTUS2024
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This requires a mobilization of at least 250k military personnel to cover the entire border, plus others in the interior.
bullshite, but even so, how many troops do we have in Europe protecting the socialists there from their primary trade partner? The border sounds like a perfect place for them.
1760 yards to the mile, so erect 5-6 towers per mile, giving a 2 man crew a 150 yard shot in either direction. That's 10,200 towers, even if you changed personnel 6 times per day giving each crew 4 hour shifts, that's only 122,400 men.
But like I said, the invasion would come to a screeching halt before you got 100 towers built with the military actually defending our borders and shooting to kill.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:19 pm to LaMigra
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Than what the hell are they??
Criminals. Which is why the military can’t be involved.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:20 pm to Thundercles
Does not make sense because it would be too labor intensive. Mine fields would be much more effective.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:26 pm to Indefatigable
The military can't be involved against Americans. These aren't Americans. They are criminal illegals invading our country.
I give you Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution.
If you want to pretend we aren't being invaded from the south, feel free. But you might want to consider that the total US population in 1790 was just a tick under 4 million people. At present, we don't even know how many criminal illegals we have in this country, but it is somewhere between 20 and 50 million. Our Founding Fathers would immediately recognize this as the invasion that it is.
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18 U.S.C. § 1385. Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus: Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress,
I give you Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution.
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The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
If you want to pretend we aren't being invaded from the south, feel free. But you might want to consider that the total US population in 1790 was just a tick under 4 million people. At present, we don't even know how many criminal illegals we have in this country, but it is somewhere between 20 and 50 million. Our Founding Fathers would immediately recognize this as the invasion that it is.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:50 pm to troyt37
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The military can't be involved against Americans. These aren't Americans. They are criminal illegals invading our country.
The Posse Comitatus Act prevents the military from conducting domestic law enforcement on American soil, with no regard for whether the individuals involved are American or not. The US military cannot enforce domestic law except in situations that are not (at this time) present at the border under existing law. They can push paper and pass out water bottles.
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If you want to pretend we aren't being invaded from the south, feel free.
It isn't me pretending. No court in the United States is going to or has classified illegal immigration as an invasion as contemplated by Article IV.
And you bolded the wrong language if you are arguing that the end-around Posse Comitatus is located in Article IV:
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shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence
Congress and the States involved could fix the issue if they wanted to under the federal government's authority over the bolded areas above. It still isn't an invasion and as much as we all may hate the legalese/sematic bullshite, will never be considered one. Its dumb to bang your head against that wall when there are other avenues.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:54 pm to Thundercles
Would last about 12 hours of a 24 hour news cycle then 85% of sane Americans would be so outraged it would stop immediately and the insane 15% would go back to whining and sniveling about their irrational fears.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:04 pm to Indefatigable
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The US military cannot enforce domestic law
They're not enforcing law, they're just planting mines and creating the maps of where they were planted. Texas wildlife and fisheries can put alligators and/or hippos in the Rio Grande without the Army or National Guard.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:06 pm to Indefatigable
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except in situations that are not (at this time) present at the border under existing law.
20-50 million criminal illegals with hundreds of thousands more coming in every month is an invasion, whether the government wants to admit it or not. Let these criminals roll into their gated communities, country clubs, and plush surroundings provided by the American taxpayer and they will recognize it as an invasion right quick. Funny how the very same people who think J6 was a violent insurrection and worse than Pearl Harbor, seem to think 20 million illegals, committing crimes that run the gamut, is not that big a deal.
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It isn't me pretending. No court in the United States is going to or has classified illegal immigration as an invasion as contemplated by Article IV.
See above.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:07 pm to troyt37
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20-50 million criminal illegals with hundreds of thousands more coming in every month is an invasion, whether the government wants to admit it or not.
If you aren't going to acknowledge the role that the the courts play here, then there is no point in discussing it further. Keep banging your head against the wall instead of seeking actual, viable solutions.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:17 pm to Indefatigable
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If you aren't going to acknowledge the role that the the courts play here, then there is no point in discussing it further. Keep banging your head against the wall instead of seeking actual, viable solutions.
All those actual, viable solutions have come to what? 20-50 million criminal illegals and the government spending 15-30 billion taxpayer dollars every single year to support them. Why don't someone break out one of your actual, viable solutions and stop the invasion? And why isn't defending our borders as proscribed by the Constitution one of those actual, viable solutions?
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:33 pm to troyt37
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government spending 15-30 billion taxpayer dollars every single year
Federal spending. State and locality spending on things like health care and education are intentionally obfuscated in terms of the costs of supporting illegals. sCHIP ads in Atlanta were primarily in Spanish on MARTA, but I am pretty sure sCHIP "grants" from the feds don't distinguish what portion of the money goes to illegal care vs. American poors. They're not allowed to ask for immigration status for a reason. There is no fraud if there is no data that proves said fraud, so collect no data.
We can look at the number of ESL teachers in Fulton County, for instance, but we can't definitively say if illegal immigration is a causal factor in the need for ESL instructors, because nobody is allowed to ask. I have a hard time believing 50% of the population in Gwinnett county (metro ATL) is English fluent.
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