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Would one of you “end the fed” Baws explain to me what would replace it?

Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:04 am
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:04 am
Last night I was at my moderate neighbor’s house. And she was all above the fray, per usual gettin all “both sides”

She did start explaining to me that everyone all presidents are a problem because their monetary policy sucks, essentially. I told Her - well - I don’t disagree with you, so what’s the solution? What’s the correct money policy?

I felt my dander go up bc she started blaming regular people bc they just spend too much money and won’t save. I was like WTAF?? This federal reserve full of angels you think should hypothetically exist creates this fricking problem and you think the solution is for them to just not eat? fricking groceries cost 20% more.

My assertion to her once I calmed down was - The problem isn’t the way the Fed is managed but the structure of it. It’s different than the COTUS bc the structure of the institution is designed to make sure that power is controlled by competing powers. The fed has no countervailing power- so they just ultimately do whatever the frick they want.

I distrust any NGO, and I know innately that Fed is the worst of them all. So I asked her (bc I was and still am) honestly ignorant - so we both agree the Fed is fricked up. I think the structure is bad bc people are not angels, and there’s no perfect federal reserve chairman or banker-you think the solution is just finding someone better at the job and people not being able to afford a house?

I then said - well frick it - let’s go full Andrew Jackson and scrap the whole thing. And asked her - what happens then? She had no good answer except that the gold standard would somehow put too much power into gold people or something. That didn’t make much sense to me. And bitcoin is confusing AF.

I did buy a copy of End the Fed but it won’t be here till Tomorrow.

So, in the meantime baws, explain to me like I’m stupid (bc I need this in simple terms): your Austrian economics dreams come true and there’s no more fed. WHAT THE frick HAPPENS?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:10 am to
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you think the solution is just finding someone better at the job and people not being able to afford a house?

You're going to have to explain this within the context of the discussion to give you an option to perform the duties. What aspect of "not being able to afford a house" are you attributing to the fed?

The issue with the gold standard is that it's deflationary, and while periods of deflation are good, we don't want to be Japan in a constant deflationary spiral.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:11 am to
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The issue with the gold standard is that it's deflationary, and while periods of deflation are good, we don't want to be Japan in a constant deflationary spiral.


Gold is constantly deflationary?

Who knew?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451588 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:13 am to
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Gold is constantly deflationary?

The gold standard is deflationary.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:14 am to
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So, in the meantime baws, explain to me like I’m stupid


The system is broken beyond repair. When you bail out people who have failed with the treasury, you rig the system for investors and bankers.

Its the dual mandates of the fed, and the bailing out of losers that create these economic bubbles.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:15 am to
The solution is actively trying to create one instead of printing Monopoly money and hoping you can control world economics through war, murder, slave labor and oppression. I don’t have the answer, but it’s not hard to see the wall we’re speeding towards and the parasite culture of lobbyists that dominate our political process to everyone’s long term detriment. Sometimes you have to address a problem before finding a solution.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16517 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:18 am to
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The system is broken beyond repair. When you bail out people who have failed with the treasury, you rig the system for investors and bankers.


This was Moderate Neighbor’s position.

So if it’s broken. Why can’t we scrap it and then start with something else? The question posed is WHATS THE SOMETHING ELSE?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:21 am to
And the Fed and you get the Bank of International Settlements stepping in. Sounds fun right? End the Fed people are retards we control it
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16517 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:22 am to
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You're going to have to explain this within the context of the discussion to give you an option to perform the duties. What aspect of "not being able to afford a house" are you attributing to the fed?


Low interest rates made prices rise. Now if you’re 25 years old buying a house is basically out of reach for you. Now the price of a house is astronomical, and so is financing one. So you can rent one - but rent is obscene and you’re flushing your $$$ down the toilet and wages haven’t kept up with inflation so you can’t eat or afford to pay rent.

Moderate Neighbor (in her defense) wasn’t saying the fed was a fabulous idea, she was saying that within the current system, there’s basically only more of this shite as a solution until we reach financial collapse and we’re all burning dollar bills to heat our houses
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:22 am to
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The question posed is WHATS THE SOMETHING ELSE?

The only way this can be answered is by you listing what specifically you're trying to accomplish.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:25 am to
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Now if you’re 25 years old buying a house is basically out of reach for you. Now the price of a house is astronomical, and so is financing one.

Ultimately the market will take care of this (assuming no bailouts, because that correction will involve a lot of pain for individuals and investment companies).

Even within the system we have now, if we just let the market adjust and then do its thing, most of these problems will be solved.

The problem is when people have to face the painful part of the market shifting, they complain and the government steps in. Hell, that's largely why this snowball has grown so big past 2009.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
51993 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:25 am to
You can't scrap the fed. The fed structure is fine and needs to be independent (maybe even more now) as possible.

An easy fix, that no one will do because of politics, is to stop printing money, sending stimulus checks, bailing out companies, and just hike the rate up to hit the brakes.

Rip the bandaid off so we feel it for two or three years instead of a decade.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16517 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:25 am to
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the Bank of International Settlements stepping in



No sarcasm- what is this?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:27 am to
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if we just let the market adjust and then do its thing, most of these problems will be solved


Not going to happen. Govt is protecting investors, will bail them out.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11651 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:28 am to
Think of them like the central bank of central banks but with UN progressive freaks running it
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92563 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:28 am to
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The issue with the gold standard is that it's deflationary, and while periods of deflation are good, we don't want to be Japan in a constant deflationary spiral.


So, what standard are we on now?
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16517 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:28 am to
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needs to be independent


Independent of what?

Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
21407 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:29 am to
Without reading all of that…

Obviously you keep all of it but get rid of the people in those agencies who hate our country, who break the laws and who are dead weight woke POS representatives of those agencies
Posted by Swag42
NOLA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:30 am to
Buy crypto
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
51358 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 9:30 am to
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I felt my dander go up bc she started blaming regular people bc they just spend too much money and won’t save. I was like WTAF?? This federal reserve full of angels you think should hypothetically exist creates this fricking problem and you think the solution is for them to just not eat? fricking groceries cost 20% more.


Let's take a quick snapshot of the financial health of the nation.

The federal government has egregiously heaped up nearly $36 trillion of debt on the backs of the American people with the Federal Reserve being the enabler.

No responsible lending institution is loaning money to a client that has the debt to revenue ratio of the US.
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