re: Would FDR turn over in his grave

He was a conservationist. Conservation is the wise use of renewable natural resources. Do not confuse it with the mis-guided concept of preservationists. Modern conservation supported by sportsman has resulted in sustainable, healthy populations of fish and wildlife. This is what TR wanted. After reading your posts, I am probably wasting my time pointing out the difference.

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Would FDR turn over in his grave

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The thread is at four pages and I've not read through it, so forgive me if this has already been said, but frick FDR.

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The thread is at four pages and I've not read through it, so forgive me if this has already been said, but frick FDR.

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FDR is not popular on the Rant for the social progress he advocated and worked for.





A lot of the guys on the Rant seem to wish we had the same social situation we had in 1800. Freedom from want is okay as long as no minorities benefit, right?

Just a few weeks after the Brits and Frogs caved to Hitler at Munich FDR called in the leaders of the Army and the Army Air Corps. He didn't invite the SecArmy, who was an isolationist.

THE AIRCRAFT MEETING


On Monday, November 14, 1938 President Roosevelt summoned a number of key military advisers to what Eric Hammel has called possibly the most important single meeting in modern world history. The president wanted a large force of -offensive- airplanes. The Air Corps had 12 working strategic bombers and several hundred tactical bombers of dubious utility. FDR told his advisers he wanted 20,000 Army Air Corps aircraft in service and a capacity to build 24,000 a year. For the day these numbers were simply fantastic.



"Over Kiel we run into heavy flak from our own guns. The shooting by the Navy
is unfortunately so good that we are considerably disorganized. I observe the
Yank bombing. They dump their load right on the German shipyards. I am
impressed by the precision with which those bastards bomb: it is fantastic."

--"I Flew for the Fuhrer" by Heinz Knoke

Early in World War Two, the servicemen had a little quip:

"Golden Gate in '48/ Bread line in '49."

Passage of the G.I. Bill of Rights in 1944 ensured jobs, education, and prosperity and a future of undreamed of wealth and plenty. From which all of us have benefited.









And the servicemen could say: "Home alive in '45!"

Of course that ties in with FDR's props as a brilliant strategist. Early in the war, General Marshall complained about working with the Brits. Can't we refocus on the Japanese?

"No," FDR said. That won't help the Russians, who it was imperative that we keep in the war.

FDR insisted that U.S. Army troops be committed against German troops as soon as possible. This led to Operation TORCH. It was seen that the U.S. Army was not ready for prime time. By 1944 it sorta kinda was.

FDR guided this country to victory over the Axis Powers with steps that were steady and sure. He may be the greatest American, and he surely has no trouble being compared with Washington and Lincoln.

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I'm positive FDR would roll over in his grave over his once proud party turning into a crew of election rigging propagandists who have sided with illegal invaders and islamists over their own people.

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Yeah, the Democratic Party has been eviscerated by the Clintons and the other leadership.

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And oh btw, he had Communist spies amongst his own advisors.

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That's probably because he was a communist.

Just sayin....

Death of President Roosevelt.

I was deleting some old e-mails and I found this one from my mother.
She was 18 in 1945 when Roosevelt died on April 12.

"I remember the day as if it were yesterday. I was at Tennessee
Wesleyan. Even though it
was still early Spring, it was a warm day and some friends and I had
gone to the home of a
lovely woman in Athens to swim. She had told us we could come any
time. When we re-turned to the campus, I went to Lawrence Hall, not my
dorm, to a friend's room and, weary
from the exercise and heat, I flopped on a bed and went sound to sleep.
Later, someone came dashing into the room and announced that FDR had
died. I was flabbergasted. He was
like my father. I, although 18, had never known any other President.
None of us could believe
it and we sat around morosely talking in hushed tones about him. I
remember being aware
of the thousands who lined the railroad tracks as his body was taken
from Warm Springs to
Washington. I remember the tears of everyone, including mine, but
especially those of so
many blacks, many males, too, as they prayed and watched the train
slowly moving past where they stood. Of course this was all seen in
newsreels in the movies and in newspapers.



In one sense, I owe my life to Franklin D. Roosevelt. When he became
President in 1932[sic],
somehow food became more available, clothes were made available to
those who needed them, and plants and mills began to re-open so that
people could go back to work. As young
as I was, I could immediately see a new optimism and hopefulness among
the people of my
small hometown. I remember jobless young men going off to work in the
forests through the
CCC and jobless husbands found work to do in building, road work, and
other enterprises
through the WPA. I taught in a school in Lakeview which had been built
by the WPA. Suffice
it to say that Roosevelt's optimism and great personality brought about
great changes in the
country, and I never have been hungry again. Thanks for reminding me
that today, April 12,
2005 is the sixtieth anniversary of his death. He was truly great and I loved him."

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FDR is not popular on the Rant for the social progress he advocated and worked for. That hollow, rhetorical garbage could just as well be said of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. Followed by *insert pictures of Soviet/German/Chinese peasants smiling and looking triumphant*.

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Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao are more popular on the rant than FDR and Lincoln are.

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Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao are more popular on the rant than FDR and Lincoln are.

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Well. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Lenin Stalin and Hitler didn't frick up OUR country.

Naw baw....FDR has been smiling in his grave since the 70's when he ultimately realized his real dream for the New Deal...to screw the working man in favor of creating a dependent voting class.

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FDR is not popular on the Rant for the social progress he advocated and worked for

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It's about the debt. The New Deal and Great Society constitute huge debt loads.

Let's put that gargantuan debt in simple terms.

If you had a time machine that cost one million dollars per day to go back in time, getting back to last Monday would cost $7million. Being an eye witness to Pickett's charge at Gettysburg would cost about $56.2billion. Witnessing the birth of Cleopatra would run you about $761billion.

Spending the equivalent of our entire National Debt at $1M/day would take you back to the zenith of Neanderthal, saber toothed tigers and wooly mammoths.