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re: World's Smartest Man Banned From FB

Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
3355 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:19 pm to
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I like philosophy. I've read Kant, Nietzsche, Descartes, Berkeley, Hume, Russell, and Leibniz (perhaps the smartest man to ever live). I try to keep up with the modern people like Searle, Dennett, Foucalt, etc. I also try and read pop-sci when I can from the physicists like Greene, Smolin, Gott, Kaku, Thorne, Hawking, etc

Good on you, man. I really do wish I had more time to do so myself. Though I'd be a liar if I didn't admit to squandering enough time to be further along than I am.
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Problem is, philosophy never goes anywhere. At some point you have to admit that solving the "mind-body" problem wont happen. They've tried for 2 thousand years now and never really gotten anywhere. We're still stuck where Aristotle left us. Sure, there's been tons of work done since then, but none of it convincing. No one agrees on anything.

I don't think that's quite true. I've only read bits of Plato, and am currently trying to engage his works more dutifully now, but what I do know of his works, I find masterful. And I'm not sure anyone is going to do better... which is not the same thing as philosophy not going anywhere... The thing is, with philosophy, it's always-- or should be always-- be about wisdom and internal growth. For science, incremental knowledge built up over successive experiments may lead to new discoveries like a new type of Bose-Einstein condensate, which may then open avenues for more exploration and discovery. For philosophy, it's about how is this discovery best used in service of my fellow man?

So, as I see it, science is absolutely valid and useful for discovering information and for constructing systems from the bottom up. Philosophy is the natural top down worldview accomplice to science that should help scientists understand implications and how to use science wisely. But to put a cap on philosophy and say it's going nowhere is only to say you yourself are not finding practical use in becoming more wise. And it is precisely the lack of philosophical grounding on the part of science (in an over-general way) that is concerning to so many (whether we're talking about chemical/nuclear weapons, privacy-invasive technology, irresponsible/unethical creation and promotion of pharmaceuticals and narcotics, etc.).

Back to Plato for a moment, just look at his Alcibiades, where he puts forth the ideas of different kinds of knowledge through Socrates and has Socrates shred the arrogant young Alcibiades, and you'll find a gem of philosophical insight. I'll probably butcher it here, but roughly: 1) There's what you know and you should be able to generally figure out when you acquired that knowledge. 2) There's what you know you don't know. And, 3) There's what you don't know, but you think you know. When you don't know something, but you think you do, that's double ignorance. Politicians are an easy example, as they nearly always claim to know what justice is, but it is horrifically apparent that so few do. Double ignorance is, in short, at the root of so much of what's wrong with the world as it's run.

The exposition of this idea alone is brilliant and I don't really think anyone could improve much on it, though they might re-state it in useful ways to a new audience. And there's always room to grow personally from obervations like these.

Moving towards the mind-body problem as you call it, there's a ton of work done by Plato, neoplatonics, egyptians, taoists, Hindu and Vedic culture and so on. There's numerous systems with vast bodies of knowledge (if often symbolic or analogical) which lead to "experiences" and greater understanding. People who have put the work in with the right mindset and motives generally begin to experience things. Scientists do seem to be opening their minds at least a little to genuinely understanding some of these things, but for a long time, have been closed-minded. They typically discredit experiences as evidence without putting the work in themselves to validate it... which is ironically unscientific. Or, as Plato might call it double-ignorant.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:29 pm to
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the "30 point rule" states that people with 30 IQ points on other people cannot effectively communicate with them. An average person of 100 IQ has a hard time talking to a "handicapped" person of IQ 70. Likewise a man of 130 IQ will have a hard time with a 100 IQ man. I don't really believe it, though, because it is an obvious logical fallacy
Not exactly. People using the same language can obviously speak with one another. The idea is that CONCEPTS that are incomprehensible to a person with an IQ of 100 are easily-understood by the person with an IQ of 130.

For the most part, this is a college-educated forum ... meaning that the average IQ is in the range of 110-115. Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty will admit to feeling the frustration of that fourth explanation of a “simple concept” to a kid near the bottom of his high school class .. and continuing to see that blank stare of total incomprehsion.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:09 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:32 pm to
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Really puts a lot of shite in perspective when you realize a freaking Gorilla had an IQ 20 points higher than the average Somalian.
And that the average poster on this forum has an IQ closer to that of Koko than to the IQ of the brighter posters on this forum.

Seriously, do the math. If Koko has an IQ of 80 and the forum average is 110 (almost a full SD above average), the spread is 30 points. Clearly the brightest few posters have an IQ avove 140 (baseline genius, which frankly is not that rare).

The average poster here is closer to Koko.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:12 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:36 pm to
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Nope, he isn't the smartest man in the world. Science provides knowledge to the world, not philosophy.
30-point rule
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:43 pm to
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I would allow a gorilla in my home before any of the following posters: 1-85
This clown actually keeps a list of posters he thinks are stupid (all of whom seem to be “liberal” by the standards of this forum).

Does he also keep a spiral notebook of Very Serious Injuries?

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:47 pm to
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smart people don't read his crap. He's probably the most evil influential person in the history of western civilization
Very smart people read the work of those with whom they agree AND that of those with whom they do not agree.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
81515 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:48 pm to
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Most geniuses are. They also don't connect well with the normies. The idea that comparing blacks to gorillas might be seen as racist probably never crossed his mind.




Which also makes me wonder how bright he actually is.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:01 pm to
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This clown actually keeps a list of posters he thinks are stupid (all of whom seem to be “liberal” by the standards of this forum).

Does he also keep a spiral notebook of Very Serious Injuries?


I think you just made the list.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:06 pm to
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I would allow a gorilla in my home before any of the following posters



insert incredibly long list of TD posters












Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:08 pm to
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We are told that genetic intelligence has zero influence on social outcomes, greatest denial of science in world history


Here we go again

Let's see those facts
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
27162 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:23 pm to
Well,it's a shame folks can't speak their minds without being labeled.

Kinda like posting here unless you kiss trump's arse...
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59920 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:28 pm to
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Kinda like posting here unless you kiss trump's arse...

Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:34 pm to
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For the most part, this is a college-educated forum ... meaning that the average IQ is in the range of 110-115


That seems kind of low. I would say 118-128. No?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19657 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:41 pm to
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Which also makes me wonder how bright he actually is.


He's smart, but like I said in my OP, I dunno about "smartest in the world." Terrance Tao might have a claim.




760 math SAT at age 9.
International Math Olympiad champion at age 13.
Master's degree at age 16.
PhD (from Princeton) at age 21.


Unlike many child geniuses, Tao didn't "fizzle out." Many of the kids doing calculus at age 8 usually end up "regressing to the mean" when they become adults. That is, when they get in college, they no longer leave everyone behind.

Tao went on to get a PhD at 21 and became full professor of mathematics at UCLA at age 24. It is extremely rare that 24 year olds are given the title of full professor at any institution.

Oh, and before I forget, he won the Field's medal in mathematics. This is the Nobel prize of math. His award was for "his contributions to partial differential equations, combinatorics, harmonic analysis and additive number theory."

And, finally, most of his peers in academia consider him the top mathematician in the world and one of the best ever. One of his peers said he is the one mathematician with the most overall knowledge since David Hilbert. He understands very esoteric topics that he does not specialize in as well as people that do specialize.

Asians, dude.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:46 pm to
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For the most part, this is a college-educated forum ... meaning that the average IQ is in the range of 110-115
That seems kind of low. I would say 118-128. No?

This site says 115. I have seen 110 elsewhere.

128? Think about it for a minute. 128 is near the 130 cutoff for the 3rd SD, which is top 2% of the population. Is the average college student anywhere NEAR the top 2%?
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76709 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:48 pm to
I guess we can all move on now.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:05 pm to
I got on to challenge this smartest guy but I see he has 2 iq points on me.

Two things. The communications math is bogus. Sure there are eggheads who can't feel but there are just as many smart people whose language skills enable them to Bridge the gap.

But I was admitting to myself recently that all the women I lasted with were in the 125 to 150 range.

I can see why they banned him.
The great apes are not as apt communicators as Somali refugees. Its bogus and smells racist.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
70096 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:13 pm to
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AggieHank86


Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:17 pm to
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it is an obvious logical fallacy


Which logical fallacy is it?
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134775 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:18 pm to

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quote: So we don't feel guilty eating them.

You eat gorillas

Gorillas are probably delicious
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