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re: World's Smartest Man Banned From FB
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:19 pm to AUstar
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:19 pm to AUstar
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I like philosophy. I've read Kant, Nietzsche, Descartes, Berkeley, Hume, Russell, and Leibniz (perhaps the smartest man to ever live). I try to keep up with the modern people like Searle, Dennett, Foucalt, etc. I also try and read pop-sci when I can from the physicists like Greene, Smolin, Gott, Kaku, Thorne, Hawking, etc
Good on you, man.
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Problem is, philosophy never goes anywhere. At some point you have to admit that solving the "mind-body" problem wont happen. They've tried for 2 thousand years now and never really gotten anywhere. We're still stuck where Aristotle left us. Sure, there's been tons of work done since then, but none of it convincing. No one agrees on anything.
I don't think that's quite true. I've only read bits of Plato, and am currently trying to engage his works more dutifully now, but what I do know of his works, I find masterful. And I'm not sure anyone is going to do better... which is not the same thing as philosophy not going anywhere... The thing is, with philosophy, it's always-- or should be always-- be about wisdom and internal growth. For science, incremental knowledge built up over successive experiments may lead to new discoveries like a new type of Bose-Einstein condensate, which may then open avenues for more exploration and discovery. For philosophy, it's about how is this discovery best used in service of my fellow man?
So, as I see it, science is absolutely valid and useful for discovering information and for constructing systems from the bottom up. Philosophy is the natural top down worldview accomplice to science that should help scientists understand implications and how to use science wisely. But to put a cap on philosophy and say it's going nowhere is only to say you yourself are not finding practical use in becoming more wise. And it is precisely the lack of philosophical grounding on the part of science (in an over-general way) that is concerning to so many (whether we're talking about chemical/nuclear weapons, privacy-invasive technology, irresponsible/unethical creation and promotion of pharmaceuticals and narcotics, etc.).
Back to Plato for a moment, just look at his Alcibiades, where he puts forth the ideas of different kinds of knowledge through Socrates and has Socrates shred the arrogant young Alcibiades, and you'll find a gem of philosophical insight. I'll probably butcher it here, but roughly: 1) There's what you know and you should be able to generally figure out when you acquired that knowledge. 2) There's what you know you don't know. And, 3) There's what you don't know, but you think you know. When you don't know something, but you think you do, that's double ignorance. Politicians are an easy example, as they nearly always claim to know what justice is, but it is horrifically apparent that so few do. Double ignorance is, in short, at the root of so much of what's wrong with the world as it's run.
The exposition of this idea alone is brilliant and I don't really think anyone could improve much on it, though they might re-state it in useful ways to a new audience. And there's always room to grow personally from obervations like these.
Moving towards the mind-body problem as you call it, there's a ton of work done by Plato, neoplatonics, egyptians, taoists, Hindu and Vedic culture and so on. There's numerous systems with vast bodies of knowledge (if often symbolic or analogical) which lead to "experiences" and greater understanding. People who have put the work in with the right mindset and motives generally begin to experience things. Scientists do seem to be opening their minds at least a little to genuinely understanding some of these things, but for a long time, have been closed-minded. They typically discredit experiences as evidence without putting the work in themselves to validate it... which is ironically unscientific. Or, as Plato might call it double-ignorant.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:29 pm to AUstar
quote:Not exactly. People using the same language can obviously speak with one another. The idea is that CONCEPTS that are incomprehensible to a person with an IQ of 100 are easily-understood by the person with an IQ of 130.
the "30 point rule" states that people with 30 IQ points on other people cannot effectively communicate with them. An average person of 100 IQ has a hard time talking to a "handicapped" person of IQ 70. Likewise a man of 130 IQ will have a hard time with a 100 IQ man. I don't really believe it, though, because it is an obvious logical fallacy
For the most part, this is a college-educated forum ... meaning that the average IQ is in the range of 110-115. Anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty will admit to feeling the frustration of that fourth explanation of a “simple concept” to a kid near the bottom of his high school class .. and continuing to see that blank stare of total incomprehsion.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:32 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:And that the average poster on this forum has an IQ closer to that of Koko than to the IQ of the brighter posters on this forum.
Really puts a lot of shite in perspective when you realize a freaking Gorilla had an IQ 20 points higher than the average Somalian.
Seriously, do the math. If Koko has an IQ of 80 and the forum average is 110 (almost a full SD above average), the spread is 30 points. Clearly the brightest few posters have an IQ avove 140 (baseline genius, which frankly is not that rare).
The average poster here is closer to Koko.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:36 pm to Kentucker
quote:30-point rule
Nope, he isn't the smartest man in the world. Science provides knowledge to the world, not philosophy.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:43 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:This clown actually keeps a list of posters he thinks are stupid (all of whom seem to be “liberal” by the standards of this forum).
I would allow a gorilla in my home before any of the following posters: 1-85
Does he also keep a spiral notebook of Very Serious Injuries?

Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:47 pm to airfernando
quote:Very smart people read the work of those with whom they agree AND that of those with whom they do not agree.
smart people don't read his crap. He's probably the most evil influential person in the history of western civilization
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:48 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Most geniuses are. They also don't connect well with the normies. The idea that comparing blacks to gorillas might be seen as racist probably never crossed his mind.
Which also makes me wonder how bright he actually is.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:01 pm to AggieHank86
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This clown actually keeps a list of posters he thinks are stupid (all of whom seem to be “liberal” by the standards of this forum).
Does he also keep a spiral notebook of Very Serious Injuries?
I think you just made the list.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:06 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I would allow a gorilla in my home before any of the following posters
insert incredibly long list of TD posters

Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:08 pm to Strannix
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We are told that genetic intelligence has zero influence on social outcomes, greatest denial of science in world history
Here we go again
Let's see those facts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:23 pm to AUstar
Well,it's a shame folks can't speak their minds without being labeled.
Kinda like posting here unless you kiss trump's arse...
Kinda like posting here unless you kiss trump's arse...
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:28 pm to Clark14
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Kinda like posting here unless you kiss trump's arse...
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:34 pm to AggieHank86
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For the most part, this is a college-educated forum ... meaning that the average IQ is in the range of 110-115
That seems kind of low. I would say 118-128. No?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:41 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Which also makes me wonder how bright he actually is.
He's smart, but like I said in my OP, I dunno about "smartest in the world." Terrance Tao might have a claim.
760 math SAT at age 9.
International Math Olympiad champion at age 13.
Master's degree at age 16.
PhD (from Princeton) at age 21.
Unlike many child geniuses, Tao didn't "fizzle out." Many of the kids doing calculus at age 8 usually end up "regressing to the mean" when they become adults. That is, when they get in college, they no longer leave everyone behind.
Tao went on to get a PhD at 21 and became full professor of mathematics at UCLA at age 24. It is extremely rare that 24 year olds are given the title of full professor at any institution.
Oh, and before I forget, he won the Field's medal in mathematics. This is the Nobel prize of math. His award was for "his contributions to partial differential equations, combinatorics, harmonic analysis and additive number theory."
And, finally, most of his peers in academia consider him the top mathematician in the world and one of the best ever. One of his peers said he is the one mathematician with the most overall knowledge since David Hilbert. He understands very esoteric topics that he does not specialize in as well as people that do specialize.
Asians, dude.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:46 pm to nola000
quote:quote:That seems kind of low. I would say 118-128. No?
For the most part, this is a college-educated forum ... meaning that the average IQ is in the range of 110-115
This site says 115. I have seen 110 elsewhere.
128? Think about it for a minute. 128 is near the 130 cutoff for the 3rd SD, which is top 2% of the population. Is the average college student anywhere NEAR the top 2%?
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/7/18 at 6:48 pm to AggieHank86
I guess we can all move on now.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:05 pm to AUstar
I got on to challenge this smartest guy but I see he has 2 iq points on me.
Two things. The communications math is bogus. Sure there are eggheads who can't feel but there are just as many smart people whose language skills enable them to Bridge the gap.
But I was admitting to myself recently that all the women I lasted with were in the 125 to 150 range.
I can see why they banned him.
The great apes are not as apt communicators as Somali refugees. Its bogus and smells racist.
Two things. The communications math is bogus. Sure there are eggheads who can't feel but there are just as many smart people whose language skills enable them to Bridge the gap.
But I was admitting to myself recently that all the women I lasted with were in the 125 to 150 range.
I can see why they banned him.
The great apes are not as apt communicators as Somali refugees. Its bogus and smells racist.
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:17 pm to AUstar
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it is an obvious logical fallacy
Which logical fallacy is it?
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:18 pm to Zach
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