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re: Women and the hijab

Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:49 am to
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:49 am to
So if I tell people I care then we both care about the same amount?
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:50 am to
If you took the time to educate yourself on the issue, then sure.
Posted by junkfunky
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:53 am to
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Because it's part of their culture. Who are you to say their culture is right or wrong?


Slavery was a part of our culture for a long time.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:54 am to
Educate myself on the fact that Africa, in general, is in poor shape.

Done.

We both care.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:01 am to
Wow...

Maybe figure out why it is in such poor shape. You know...because of imperialism and how the governments were set up post colonial era.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 11:04 am
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:04 am to
I know why. The why in this case does nothing for those people now. Just like you and me do nothing for them but we "care".
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:16 am to
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If they would be more developed or not isn't really the issue.

i think that's the primary issue

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:20 am to
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Maybe figure out why it is in such poor shape. You know...because of imperialism and how the governments were set up post colonial era.

it also has a lot to do with culture

the Africa countries that adopted more Western-style beliefs (esp economically) have emerged as success stories. the ones who devolved into tribalism or developed socialist-style economies have faltered.

culture, esp economic culture, matters. the colonial powers were dicks, but they instilled values (directly and indirectly) that gave the African countries the keys to post-colonial prosperity.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:27 am to
You realize that has a lot to do with who colonized them right? The former French colonies are a lot better off than the British. French colonialism was about assimilation. You became French. British colonialism was about taking as much from the colonies as possible. They didn't give a frick about their society.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:29 am to
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You realize that has a lot to do with who colonized them right?

a lot of it had to do with who they allied with post-colonialism during the Cold War

the same thing applies to the ME. we only installed the Shah to keep the USSR from "colonizing" Iran and having influence in the ME

we pay for that sin to this day, but nobody can argue the world (or Iran) would have been better off had it become the Cuba of the ME

Posted by MrCarton
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:30 am to
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The group of Democrats that blindly defends Muslims does so with equal ferver to the group of Republicans that blindly hates them. Both are equally ignorant.


Yep.


Shut it down. No further commentary necessary.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:33 am to


So we tried to set up democracy all over Africa. In several cases, when a country's people elected socialist or communist leaders, the CIA stepped in and went "Oh man...y'all voted wrong...let us come in and fix it for you."

Our ideals about freedom were not carried out well at all in the 2nd half of the 20th century. After the Truman Doctrine was signed, we became the anti-communism police force which has since transitioned into the anti-terrorism police force. For that reason, frick Truman.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 11:38 am
Posted by LSUGrad00
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 12:18 pm to
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Osama bin laden is an EXCELLENT example of how a member of the aristocracy can get poor people to do their bidding....if it weren't for massive poverty in the middle east he wouldn't have had an army...why did he have to travel to Afghanistan and couldn't have gotten enough folks to form an army in Saudi Arabia??? because poverty isn't as great....


If all you needed to create an army of terrorists was an impoverished population then someone would have gone to India and raised an army by now.

They have 240 million people living in poverty. That's more people in poverty than populations of Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen and Afghanistan COMBINED.

Instead recruiting the poors in India, the terrorists recruit in the country next to India, Pakistan. A country with similar poverty rates, same colonial background, but one major cultural difference.
Posted by alphaandomega
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 12:36 pm to
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How do you know there's not a ninja underneath there?????




How do you know there isnt a dude underneath there?

Or someone with 100# of C4 strapped to them?
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 12:36 pm to
Some women could stand to cover their faces.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 12:47 pm to
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The group of Democrats that blindly defends Muslims does so with equal ferver to the group of Republicans that blindly hates them. Both are equally ignorant.



Yep.


Shut it down. No further commentary necessary.




what reason do any Republicans have to blindly hate Muslims? Is all hatred blind? I guess, maybe. Can any of dislike of Muslims be justified? For reasons discussed here, like oppression of human rights? is that justified?
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 12:51 pm to
Oppression is part of their culture? and that's ok?
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 12:56 pm to
That depends. Do women in that culture feel they are being oppressed? If so, no it is not okay. If they are fine with it, then leave them be.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 1:08 pm to
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what reason do any Republicans have to blindly hate Muslims? Is all hatred blind? I guess, maybe. Can any of dislike of Muslims be justified? For reasons discussed here, like oppression of human rights? is that justified?
I don't hate Muslims but I recognize that Islam is a plague on mankind.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 1:12 pm to
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That depends. Do women in that culture feel they are being oppressed? If so, no it is not okay. If they are fine with it, then leave them be.




So it's voluntary, but if they don't go along with it they are ostracized, punished, abused, killed?

ok sure
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 3:17 pm
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