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re: Will: Trump's Carrier deal is the opposite of conservatism
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:19 am to a want
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:19 am to a want
Did george finally hear that Trump is not a conservative?
Your going to be posting a lot if this is your shtick cause conservatives will write articles every day reminding us that plan A is not the plan of a conservative and Trump is not a conservative cause guess what a want... he's not a conservative.
Your going to be posting a lot if this is your shtick cause conservatives will write articles every day reminding us that plan A is not the plan of a conservative and Trump is not a conservative cause guess what a want... he's not a conservative.
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:19 am to Homesick Tiger
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frick GW and his political purism
Oh this is rich.
The political establishment has been lambasted by Trump supporters as being weak and compromising their values.
Now that Trump is actually taking over, the political purism talk goes out the window.
That said, what Trump is doing is neither prudent nor conservative (I repeat myself) in the long term BUT I am OK with it for now. Getting some short term wins to inspire confidence and show workers that you care about them and businesses that you want to work with them is a great move and I applaud it.
I just love the irony. I can point out how amateur/purists were wrong and get economic wins at the same time. It's like having my cake and eating it too!
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:20 am to ballscaster
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At what point do y'all just own up to it and call yourselves the L word?
You mean "cuck"?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:23 am to TBoy
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We are paying for about a thousand workers with our tax dollars.
Who in the long run will be putting way more than that into the federal government coffers. You are a little picture guy it appears.
Do you really care how the bank loans out your money while it's sitting there? No, you don't, just as long as you get that money plus a little interest back. That's all this Carrier deal is.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:38 am to Turbeauxdog
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We knowingly elected a populist nationalist who rejects Pc culture , the slanted media, and promises to appoint conservative justices.
As long as he continues to be nationalist, reject pc culture, combats the slanted media, and appoints conservative justices, ill live with the populism.
Not a bad compromise.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:41 am to a want
At what point did Trump ever run as a consevative?
Why the hell would he govern like one?
Conservatism was handily defeated way back in the primaires.
Why the hell would he govern like one?
Conservatism was handily defeated way back in the primaires.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 10:43 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:51 am to a want
Serious question… what coercion was involved with the carrier deal?
I saw the tax incentives… but did not see a penalty. Unless I missed some details, this is exactly how things should be done.
That looks like small government making a better business environment to me, and I amd ENTIRELY against any tariffs and penalties for companies leaving. Nobody can accuse me of being a trump fan, and I think this was just a good job.
Will is entirely correct on the principle of keeping government from strongarming business… but I don't think this was a case of that. He can shove his walker up his own arse... tennis balls and all.
Oh, and just so I don't miss out on the DVs, frick all you previous supporters of small government and freedom that now want protectionism and an iron fist to force people to behave the way you want. Hypocritical sellouts.
I saw the tax incentives… but did not see a penalty. Unless I missed some details, this is exactly how things should be done.
That looks like small government making a better business environment to me, and I amd ENTIRELY against any tariffs and penalties for companies leaving. Nobody can accuse me of being a trump fan, and I think this was just a good job.
Will is entirely correct on the principle of keeping government from strongarming business… but I don't think this was a case of that. He can shove his walker up his own arse... tennis balls and all.
Oh, and just so I don't miss out on the DVs, frick all you previous supporters of small government and freedom that now want protectionism and an iron fist to force people to behave the way you want. Hypocritical sellouts.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:54 am to Homesick Tiger
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frick GW and his political purism.
It's not political purism with George Will. It's a severe case of butt hurt. He was one who swore every day on TV that Trump could not win. Charles Krauthammer has eaten his serving of crow and admitted "I was wrong." No such humility with G. Will.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:55 am to MSMHater
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At what point did Trump ever run as a consevative?
Why the hell would he govern like one?
Conservatism was handily defeated way back in the primaires.
Yippee?
Putting aside what Trump may have said, there were PLENTY of people on this board pushing Trump as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
The thinking has morphed as such:
1. Screw these Republicans in Congress for compromising with Obama (even though they didn't have the 2/3 vote to get past his veto).
2. We need a Freedom Caucus that will stick to their conservative principles!
3. The Establishment is afraid of the Freedom Caucus because they threaten their insider lobbyist lifestyle.
4. Trump is going to take on the establishment insiders! Down with Wall Street insiders like Jeb and Clinton. Down with Globalists who want to ship our jobs overseas or let immigrants come here and take them!
5. (Post election) Trump is all about the art of the deal and compromise! Sure he said he would drain the swamp, but he needs some people with experience. And yeah he is going to have to compromise on immigration, repealing obamacare and (insert issue) but that's just him being a good negotiator!
If people can't see that #1 and #5 are in conflict then I don't know what to tell them.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 10:56 am to cokebottleag
This board is not Conservative.
This board is 89% Misogynistic White Nationalists who up vote that Mrs Obama is a baboon.
Disgraceful and disgusting. And they love it.
This board is 89% Misogynistic White Nationalists who up vote that Mrs Obama is a baboon.
Disgraceful and disgusting. And they love it.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:00 am to germandawg
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Do you know how little 1.6 Million a year in a facility like the one in question is? If they are going to operate that facility at any level $1.6 million a year ain't a drop in the bucket...and they know it. Don't put a lot of stock in that figure...they agreed to that number knowing it won't even keep the light bulbs changed....
Pretty sure Carrier is investing $16m now to upgrade the plant, etc...
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:00 am to BigJim
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Putting aside what Trump may have said, there were PLENTY of people on this board pushing Trump as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
And proceeded to try and convince everyone that his liberal policies were actually conservative.
It was truly a crazy process to watch.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:05 am to a want
quote:Note to George Will: Donald Trump has not yet assumed office
So, this is the new conservatism’s recipe for restored greatness: Political coercion shall supplant economic calculation in shaping decisions by companies in what is called, with diminishing accuracy, the private sector.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:06 am to Mr. Katanga
You are a racist and a bigot.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:07 am to BBONDS25
Never before were so many people upset that people's jobs were saved. Democrats now care about free trade. Republicans now care about offering incentives to keep business in a state. What the frick world are we living in? One where we are MAGA and good things have to be evil because populism will destroy both parties.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:22 am to More&Les
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retty sure Carrier is investing $16m now to upgrade the plant, etc...
Probably to make it more automated. 700K on incentives only goes so far.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:29 am to Homesick Tiger
No one should be surprised. Trump's a blue dog democrat who is most closely aligned ideologically with midwest and northeast labor unions. He loves big pensions because he sells condo's in Florida and owns golf courses. It's important for these workers to be able to retire young so that they are still alive to play golf in Florida. To hell with the fact that the rest of us subsidize these ridiculous pensions in the form of higher prices for goods.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:38 am to Mr. Katanga
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who up vote that Mrs Obama is a baboon.
Not me. I've always thought of her as an orangutan.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:44 am to a want
He's not wrog. If a business needs government to prop it up through tax concessions and subsidies in order to remain in business, then that business should not exist. That's just welfare for corporations.
We need to reduce the tax and regulstory burden for ALL businesses, rather than enabling the government to pick and choose winners and losers by allowing some companies to pay less taxes and meet lower regulatory burdens and others to have to pay the full sticker price. Once government goes down that road, it just means that all new businesses have to bribe government officials just to be able to move into any new market. That is bad bad bad precedent.
We need to reduce the tax and regulstory burden for ALL businesses, rather than enabling the government to pick and choose winners and losers by allowing some companies to pay less taxes and meet lower regulatory burdens and others to have to pay the full sticker price. Once government goes down that road, it just means that all new businesses have to bribe government officials just to be able to move into any new market. That is bad bad bad precedent.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 11:47 am to kingbob
The problem is we don't realize the issue here. Carrier isn't going out of business. They are moving their jobs to another locale. If Indiana didn't act now, they would have lost the jobs and investment. Indiana couldn't afford to wait for the new Congress to maybe get around to making the climate better for Carrier.
Conservatives used to recognize the importance of States competing for businesses. It created the best business climates. Now that Trump is president, things that have happened for years are now BIG GUBMINT picking winners and losers. SOLYNDRA! This shite isn't anything like Solyndra. It was beating back Mexico using purchasing power.
Conservatives used to recognize the importance of States competing for businesses. It created the best business climates. Now that Trump is president, things that have happened for years are now BIG GUBMINT picking winners and losers. SOLYNDRA! This shite isn't anything like Solyndra. It was beating back Mexico using purchasing power.
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