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re: Why would anyone be against capitalism?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:50 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:50 pm to Kentucker
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It's also finite. Capitalism requires constant growth and the use of finite resources. World wide capitalism will eventually produce a Malthusian dilemma for humanity.
What kind of system is not predicated upon growth and the use of finite resources?
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Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:51 pm to HempHead
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What kind of system is not predicated upon growth and the use of finite resources?
fair question, counselor
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wrong
Corporations will always use their resources to influence governments and elections
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
eventually
e·ven·tu·al·ly
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adverb
in the end, especially after a long delay, dispute, or series of problems.
e·ven·tu·al·ly
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adverb
in the end, especially after a long delay, dispute, or series of problems.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:53 pm to bmy
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Corporations will always use their resources to influence governments and elections
yeah and if our government remained weak as it was intended, this wouldn't really matter much
if you mean 100% "pure" capitalism? then sure, but that requires anarchy. keep government small and limited and you essentially get pure capitalism. increasing the state is what destroys freedom (aka capitalism)
and why are you singling out "corporations"?
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:54 pm to Brazos
Historical ignorance
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:54 pm to Kentucker
ignoring how we always seem to create efficiency, as capitalism raises the quality of life of a population, they have fewer children. it's a natural, self-correcting response to over-population
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:54 pm to Brazos
Because there are people who believe it's unjust.
These same people also think it's just to steal money from people who work and give it to people who don't work.
These same people also think it's just to steal money from people who work and give it to people who don't work.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:54 pm to Brazos
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Because there are many people in this world who want to be shielded from the negative consequences of their poor decisions and lack of effort.
Because it is called Freedom, unlike Russia or other countries, you actually need to think for yourself, something our schools used to teach, 40 yrs ago
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:55 pm to bmy
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A mechanism to check capitalism is necessary
The entire purpose of a free market is to check itself.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:55 pm to Kentucker
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Capitalism requires constant growth and the use of finite resources.
In 1970 I read that we would run out of oil by 1990. It's 2018 and we have an oil glut. There must have been a LOT more of them dead dinosaurs than we thought.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:56 pm to Kentucker
That's a load of BS.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:58 pm to Kentucker
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It's also finite. Capitalism requires constant growth and the use of finite resources. World wide capitalism will eventually produce a Malthusian dilemma for humanity.
I don't think socialism is the answer, but there is probably something a bit more sustainable than what we are doing in the Austrian economics camp. I feel like we have the Fed pumping away, interest rates are being held down, but something like '08 could happen at any time. I don't even think energy shortages need to happen to bring the system down. Just the end of cheap energy that makes the whole engine go. You can even argue that things were about to collapse due to $147 oil.
SFP, the Malthusians weren't wrong. They just weren't right yet.
Give them 20 years.This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 1:58 pm to Kentucker
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Kentucker
To quote the esteemed Mr. Keynes, "we are all dead in the long run."
Any and all systems of human coordination and production will inevitably fail, barring some miraculous discovery in which we are able to extract energy from the universe in a non-material form. So the question is not, "what will not fail?", but, "what will last the longest without fail?". In my opinion, a market system is superior to any other effort to coordinate the production and allocation of goods and services.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:00 pm to HempHead
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What kind of system is not predicated upon growth and the use of finite resources?
The greatest danger from capitalism is its need for population growth. Currently, 80% of the earth's societies are practicing capitalism. This is good in the short term because it's improving the living standards of people.
In the long term, however, the growth we're seeing is not sustainable. First will go the natural biosphere as we're already seeing. Next, usable natural resources will be depleted. Then societies will begin to collapse as food, water and shelter become scarce.
The only solution is population control but that would mean the end of capitalism.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:01 pm to Bunk Moreland
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SFP, the Malthusians weren't wrong. They just weren't right yet.
aye, comrad
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:03 pm to Kentucker
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The only solution is population control but that would mean the end of capitalism.
See, this is where we are having problems. You mean capitalism in a different sense than what I am.
Capitalism is nothing more than the voluntary exchange of goods and services under a system of private property. It can exist with 30 people, 30,000 people, 30,000,000 people, or 3,000,000,000 people.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:03 pm to Kentucker
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This is good in the short term because it's improving the living standards of people.
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The only solution is population control but that would mean the end of capitalism.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:03 pm to Kentucker
You're speaking my language. There is no way to discuss this stuff without sounding like a nazi or a commie, though. Mother nature will take care of everything. Our inability to think of anything other than growth will doom us. I don't even really care about the climate change subject because I think lack of energy supply to fuel growth gets us way before that.
GROWTH FOR THE SAKE OF GROWTH IS THE IDEOLOGY OF THE CANCER CELL.
GROWTH FOR THE SAKE OF GROWTH IS THE IDEOLOGY OF THE CANCER CELL.
This post was edited on 6/30/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:04 pm to Brazos
quote:does the word "manipulation" mean anything to you? You obviously have no clue about how harsh capitalism is. Socialism and capitalism both have the same identical catastrophic flaw: Selfish human beings.
You get out what you put in
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