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Why this is Trump’s economy?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:10 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:10 am
Day 1 of Trump being in office: the economy is weak; I’m going to make it stronger
Day 1 of Obama presidency: my advisors just explained to me what an “economy” is. My conclusion is that ours is weak, it’s Bush’s fault and we’re in a new normal so don’t expect me to do anything about it.
That difference in sentiment is why this will go down as the Trump economy, not a continuation of the Obama economy.
Day 1 of Obama presidency: my advisors just explained to me what an “economy” is. My conclusion is that ours is weak, it’s Bush’s fault and we’re in a new normal so don’t expect me to do anything about it.
That difference in sentiment is why this will go down as the Trump economy, not a continuation of the Obama economy.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:15 am to RedStickBR
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Why this is Trump’s economy?
Bc he's the POTUS
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:15 am to RedStickBR
I'm not certain if there has ever been a more readily apparent and distinctive contrast from one president to another than between obama and Trump.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:15 am to RedStickBR
everyone knows, its intellectual dishonesty that tries to attribute it to the muzzie.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:17 am to RedStickBR
I thought we all came to an agreement that it became definitively "Trump's economy" after year 1
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 8:20 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:23 am to Salmon
there are libs still trying to attribute it to their savior, but its hollow, who believes libs anyway but the facebook imbeciles
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:29 am to KeyserSoze999
Liberals are begging for a recession just to make Trump look bad. That's how I know this is Trump's economy, and it's doing great.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:31 am to Salmon
Honestly it was Trump's economy after the magic wand comments. Obama outright said this is the new economy, get used to it. This economy is not that economy, not even close to it, and it sure as shite wasn't created by the guy who told everyone "those jobs aren't coming back"
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:27 am to Salmon
Quantitative Easing stopped near the end of 2012.
Can anyone on this forum name an Obama economic policy that was implemented after 2012?
Can anyone name a single thing, besides bailing out 900 companies and banks, that Obama did that helped our economy?
Can anyone explain what it means when the stock market is 17,400 in Nov. 2014, and then 17,900 on Nov. 7, 2016? What would you call this?
Can anyone name a single policy Obama implemented that would have caused our economy and stock market to begin shooting up after Nov. 8th, 2016?
Can anyone on this forum name an Obama economic policy that was implemented after 2012?
Can anyone name a single thing, besides bailing out 900 companies and banks, that Obama did that helped our economy?
Can anyone explain what it means when the stock market is 17,400 in Nov. 2014, and then 17,900 on Nov. 7, 2016? What would you call this?
Can anyone name a single policy Obama implemented that would have caused our economy and stock market to begin shooting up after Nov. 8th, 2016?
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:29 am to BeefDawg
Anyone with even a semi functional brain realizes that Trump single handily pushed through changes that have improved our economy and that the ONLY contribution Obama made was that his economic plan sucked so bad that it resulted in the election of Trump.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:32 am to RedStickBR
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But Obama criticized Trump's claims that he could use his business acumen to spur economic growth and tackle other complex issues. "He just says, 'I'm gonna negotiate a better deal.' Well how? How exactly are you going to negotiate that?" Obama said during the town hall portion of the event. "What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn't have an answer."
June 2016 Obama Interview
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:38 am to RedStickBR
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That difference in sentiment is why this will go down as the Trump economy, not a continuation of the Obama economy.
You want metrics for that sentiment? Here you go:
Notice the jump in small business sentiment the day Trump was elected.
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Washington, D.C. (August 14, 2018)—The Small Business Optimism Index marked its second highest level in the survey’s 45-year history at 107.9, rising to within 0.1 point of the July 1983 record-high of 108.
LINK
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:41 am to GumboPot
I can't tell you the number of reporting calls and general business calls where people who are actually trying to make business decisions and not push a political agenda in any sense are referring to much of the positive activity, forecasting, budgeting etc with some form of Trump + Economy...
Anyone saying that these are just previous trends continuing is being disingenuous as best. Yes, the numbers are moving the same direction but the "trend" or the velocity of which they are moving is VERY different.
Anyone saying that these are just previous trends continuing is being disingenuous as best. Yes, the numbers are moving the same direction but the "trend" or the velocity of which they are moving is VERY different.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 9:42 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:41 am to RedStickBR
I can promise you this:
IF the economy remained at Obama levels, the media would be complaining and tagging it to Trump, despite the fact that for years they tried to tell us Obamanomics and the failures were the "new normal".
IF the economy remained at Obama levels, the media would be complaining and tagging it to Trump, despite the fact that for years they tried to tell us Obamanomics and the failures were the "new normal".
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:45 am to BeefDawg
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Quantitative Easing stopped near the end of 2012.
Obama still had 0% interest rates nearly his entire term.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:47 am to RedStickBR
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Day 1 of Trump being in office: the economy is weak; I’m going to make it stronger Day 1 of Obama presidency: my advisors just explained to me what an “economy” is. My conclusion is that ours is weak, it’s Bush’s fault and we’re in a new normal so don’t expect me to do anything about it.
Historical revisionism at its finest, folks.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:50 am to Erin Go Bragh
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I'm not certain if there has ever been a more readily apparent and distinctive contrast from one president to another than between obama and Trump.
Jimmah to Ron was pretty drastic as well
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:52 am to BurningHeart
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Obama still had 0% interest rates nearly his entire term.
Can’t imagine seeing this type of propping up ever again, and still never got decent growth (over 3 percent). That’s definitely inept leadership over 8 years...And the almost overnight correction with just a change in leadership was transparent. What’s so crazy is the Fed probably won’t prop up this Administration/economy, and probably won’t be needed..
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:05 am to CamdenTiger
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What’s so crazy is the Fed probably won’t prop up this Administration/economy, and probably won’t be needed..
It's unfortunate Trump couldn't have been President 2008-2016.
It's almost certain inflation will pickup over the next year or so and the Fed will have to keep raising rates to keep it in check.
Eventually this will cause a recession, and I just hope this doesn't happen before a midterm or presidential election.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:41 am to BurningHeart
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It's almost certain inflation will pickup over the next year or so and the Fed will have to keep raising rates to keep it in check.
Eventually this will cause a recession, and I just hope this doesn't happen before a midterm or presidential election.
Not necessarily.
Go research Quantitative Tightening.
The Fed has been letting 10-year QE bonds mature without renewing, as well as MBS's.
Nearly $30 billion is falling off the Fed balance sheet every month at this moment, and that number is going up.
We've gone from owing the Fed around $4.5 trillion to now owing around $4.2 in just 11 months of QT.
This is helping keep the interest rate hikes slow and steady.
This is also another reason why inflation-adjusted GDP growth of 4.1% is so outstanding.
Inflation only went up 14.3% over Obama's 8 years. Just imagine how much worse his inflation-adjusted GDP growth would have been if they hadn't forcibly held inflation down while they doubled the M2 money supply with $4.5T of QE and another $900B of "stimulus".
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