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Why the early US failure doesn't really matter: Germany's cases explode after re-opening
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:31 pm
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although this doesn't really make sense. how does testing help with fatalities?
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According to the Institute the infection rate – the so-called “R” rate - has been above one for the past three days.
The rate means on average one person will potentially transmit the virus to one other individual.
The Institute for public health estimated the “R” rate was at 1.07 on Monday and 1.13 on Sunday.
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Ms Merkel has been under increasing pressures to kick-start the faltering German economy with widespread protests taking place at the weekend in major cities including Munich.
Germany has the sixth highest number of coronavirus infections around the world but its vigorous testing regime has limited the number of fatalities compared to Italy, Spain and the UK.
although this doesn't really make sense. how does testing help with fatalities?
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how does testing help with fatalities?
Well, you can weld the positive folks in their apartments or put them in camps... I heard Germany is really famous for their train rides and first rate camps...
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Are they testing more people? I don’t give a rats arse about total cases. Hospitalization is the only thing that matters. If it burns through the population without putting more people in the hospital who gives a crap.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The early US test failure matters because without it, we would not have shut down. So it mattered to the tune of trillions of dollars.
Why the early US failure doesn't really matter
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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The early US test failure matters because without it, we would not have shut down. So it mattered to the tune of trillions of dollars.
Do you think having more tests means we don't shut down?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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The early US test failure matters because without it, we would not have shut down. So it mattered to the tune of trillions of dollars.
The early US failure WAS the US shutting down
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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The early US test failure matters because without it, we would not have shut down.
everywhere else shut down. we would have, too
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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The early US test failure matters because without it, we would not have shut down. So it mattered to the tune of trillions of dollars.
I guess if we didn’t test, we wouldn’t have been scared into shutting down?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:41 pm to dgnx6
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Do you think having more tests means we don't shut down?
We would have had better data to make decisions.
And we wouldn’t have artificially restricted test subjects to people who had traveled initially. And then not limited it to people known to have been exposed.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:42 pm to joshnorris14
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The early US failure WAS the US shutting down
The second failure is moving the goal posts from “flattening the curve” to spread prevention.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Germany cases have not exploded. You can see this clearly on the stickied tracker at the top of this forum.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
But Melinda Gates said...
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:44 pm to the808bass
I agree with better data, but.
How do you get asymptomatics to willingly test? No one has given me a good answer on this.
Let's say they do test positive, how do you make sure they self isolate for two weeks?
And lastly, how many tests were needed and what's the appropriate time frame in manufacturing that many?
How do you get asymptomatics to willingly test? No one has given me a good answer on this.
Let's say they do test positive, how do you make sure they self isolate for two weeks?
And lastly, how many tests were needed and what's the appropriate time frame in manufacturing that many?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:45 pm to the808bass
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We would have had better data to make decisions.
And we wouldn’t have artificially restricted test subjects to people who had traveled initially. And then not limited it to people known to have been exposed
What trigger should have been used to introduce mass testing?
By the time we knew there was an outbreak in Washington state, this thing was raping Europe - who was only then starting to plan to increase testing.
Since we have the benefit of hindsight - the right course of action was for China to not lie about human to human transmission until after the Chinese New Year. Had they restricted travel in Wuhan 3 weeks earlier (when they started stockpiling PPE), 95% of cases wouldn’t exist today.
I don’t see a way we would have had a better outcome without China being honest with American and European leaders and health organizations back in December and January.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:48 pm to member12
quote:This^^^
second failure is moving the goal posts from “flattening the curve” to spread prevention.
Open this mother up and let herd immunity take over. Leave the sick and elderly at home.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how does testing help with fatalities?
If you test positive you must wear an armband showing others you’re sick and to avoid you. Also you can only shop in designated stores in the Covid 19 ghettos with other positive people.
If you refuse, you’re forced on a train to a medical facility where you are isolated and do hard labor to sweat out the virus. If you die your body is burned.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:02 pm to member12
Goal posts definitely moved from flattening the curve to flattening the economy.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:04 pm to deltaland
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If you test positive you must wear an armband showing others you’re sick and to avoid you. Also you can only shop in designated stores in the Covid 19 ghettos with other positive people.
If you refuse, you’re forced on a train to a medical facility where you are isolated and do hard labor to sweat out the virus. If you die your body is burned.
And we could document that with pictures, documents, and survivor testimony and 100 years from now some folks will still swear it was all a hoax and made up by the coronavirus survivors to engender sympathy and world domination.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:06 pm to boosiebadazz
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:07 pm to The Maj
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I heard Germany is really famous for their train rides and first rate camps...
Don't forget the showers
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