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re: Why Not Simply Ban Traffic Stops other than
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:04 pm to Smeg
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:04 pm to Smeg
quote:Um, did you even read my whole post? Cause, it appears you didn't.
You don't think blocking police from stopping vehicles "creates a perverse incentive" for criminals to brazenly break the law
quote:Not a traffic violation
(traffic drugs
quote:Addressed in OP
drive drunk
quote:This isn't a traffic stop you fricking idiot.
speed in a getaway car following a serious crime
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Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:05 pm to ShortyRob
quote:pretty good indication something stupid is about to be said
Why Not Simply Ban
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:07 pm to ShortyRob
Because I already pay enough for auto insurance.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:10 pm to narddogg81
quote:Hmm
pretty good indication something stupid is about to be said
We ban murder, robbery, assault, illegal searches, unlawful arrests, rape, etc etc etc
I mean. There's a pretty long list of shite we don't allow. And, not allowing something that CONSTANTLY results in VERY OBVIOUS pretextual stops really shuoldn't exist
They are simply total bull shite.
This post was edited on 8/23/20 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:40 pm to Smeg
quote:
Can you explain that?
Sure. This is what you responded to:
quote:
It's nothing more than a sideways method of conducting a search and seizure where you couldn't do it otherwise.
And this was your response:
quote:
And what's wrong with that?
You're advocating making otherwise illegal searches legal under a pretext that has nothing to do with the crime you actually want investigated. By this logic, cops should just run around and search any house they deem suspicious by claiming they heard someone in distress. After all, it'll catch more bad guys.
Right now any cop in the US can pull you for going 1 mph over, claim they smell illegal drugs (or bring a drug dog that they can make "hit" whenever they like) and search your car. Now it thankfully doesn't happen to most people and it's never happened to me, but it could, legally, and you support that. I just can't fathom that mindset.
I don't want to eliminate police or traffic stops, but it's damn sure an area that could use some reform, and it needs to be decoupled from income. Allowing departments to keep proceeds from seizures or any violation is one of the more perverse things that goes on in this country when it comes to government and law enforcement.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 9:44 pm to Smeg
quote:
Can you explain that? If someone is pulled over because they are weaving in traffic, and then the cop smells pot, he had probable cause to search the vehicle. That is a good thing. Can you tell me how that violates the law or is a "bad thing"?
Lots of dangerous felons are apprehended during routine traffic stops. Timothy McVeigh was stopped because he was driving a car without license plates.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:34 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
It's nothing more than a sideways method of conducting a search and seizure where you couldn't do it otherwise.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:38 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Which is actually sort of my point. It's nothing more than a sideways method of conducting a search and seizure where you couldn't do it otherwise.
Probable cause from smelling illegal drugs? That’s a legitimate reason to search, no? The one I would like to see changed there is having a dog indicate after a refusal to allow a search. By their very nature, these dogs can be trained to do damn near anything. You can sit and watch tv, as the dogs are rewarded for indicating. How stupid is that? Like the dog can’t be trained to indicate, whether he smells drugs or not?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:41 pm to ShortyRob
I agree with the complaint that police should not be used so extensively and pervasively in pursuit of revenue generating traffic stops. But that's another issue.
I have a big problem with the logic that we should reduce traffic stops on account of criminal non-compliance and resistance leading to altercation.
I have a big problem with the logic that we should reduce traffic stops on account of criminal non-compliance and resistance leading to altercation.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:42 pm to ChewyDante
quote:
I agree with the complaint that police should not be used so extensively and pervasively in pursuit of revenue generating traffic stops. But that's another issue.
I have a big problem with the logic that we should reduce traffic stops on account of criminal non-compliance and resistance leading to altercation.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:52 pm to troyt37
quote:smelled only because of a pretextual stop
Probable cause from smelling illegal drugs? That’s a legitimate reason to search, no?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:53 pm to ChewyDante
quote:
I have a big problem with the logic that we should reduce traffic stops on account of criminal non-compliance and resistance leading to altercation.
Cool because that's not my reason. I do acknowledge that I advocate for fewer unnecessary police civilian interactions. But that's a different discussion
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:02 pm to ShortyRob
quote:yeh, you and the antifa BLM mob are the future for the American dream.
for major wreckless violations? If even that?
It's 2020. Take the dudes tag and send him a ticket. There's literally no point to actually making the stop
Think about how much b******* that would eliminate with virtually no real negative consequences.
Also. Eliminate fines. Instead make tickets a point system that eventually accumulate a fine that is levied at the state level. This would then eliminate the local government motivation for Revenue shenanigans
disband the police and in place hire social workers to keep the citizens in check.
typical BS coming from the left.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 12:19 am to Kafka
quote:
Why not simply give in to mob rule?
That's kind of what I was thinking. What in the actual frick.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 5:08 am to s2
quote:
typical BS coming from the left.
Hey everyone
ShortyRob is liberal now!!
Roflmao
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