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re: Why isn't there law in place saying if you avoid due process becoming a illegal immigrant.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:37 pm to BuckeyeGoon
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:37 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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Well when it comes time to prove you're a citizen
When would this be if there's no hearing? You mentioned if law enforcement picks you up that's their due process.
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On the rare chance a citizen is wrongly deported couldn't they just walk back across the border and show they have the correct documents?
It would depend on if they were able to get the documents before being deported
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Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:40 pm to GamecockUltimate
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ICE/LEO are not judges/jury
No one is saying they are. An official criminal court case shouldn't be required to deport somebody. This line of thinking is asinine. ICE should have free reign to find and deport as many illegals as they can.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:08 pm to SammyTiger
You stated that a consistent ruling of 9-0 was on due process of illegals. I stated originally that nowhere in the constitution is due process mentioned or implied that illegal aliens are afforded that right as technically they are invaders and invaders are not subject to due process. KG was afforded due process which that ruling was covering and SC desires for district court to be more precise as the term ”effectuate” the lower court used in their decision is not precise but rather an opinion
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:13 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:If you are not a citizen of the US, but you are here in the US without permission, you have committed a crime.
So, no due process for anyone accused of ANY crime?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:50 pm to Nosevens
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You stated that a consistent ruling of 9-0 was on due process of illegals.
due process for everyone in within the US. yes.
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I stated originally that nowhere in the constitution is due process mentioned or implied that illegal aliens are afforded that right as technically they are invaders and invaders are not subject to due process.
Well the 5th and 14th do.
and calling women and children coming in to work and live “foreign invaders” is way more of a “ warped usages of law” than reason “person” to mean a person.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:56 pm to SammyTiger
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Well the 5th and 14th do.
There is a case from 2020 you should look into.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:57 pm to BBONDS25
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There is a case from 2020 you should look into.
I will if you tell me the case nameZ
Posted on 5/1/25 at 3:59 pm to SammyTiger
DHS vs Thuraissigiam
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:07 pm to BBONDS25
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DHS vs Thuraissigiam
7-2 judgement that he received due process and judicial review of an immigration court decision isn’t necissary.
some other factors but definitely doesn’t bring into question whether he is owed due process.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:09 pm to SammyTiger
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7-2 judgement that he received due process and judicial review of an immigration court decision isn’t necissary.
Yep. In part. You need to re-read. Expedited deportation based upon the immigration officials real-time decision. That was considered due process. Denied the habeas claim.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:43 pm to SammyTiger
No due process is not mentioned for everyone in America regardless of their reasons. That would include say an invasion from a foreign nation in a war then.
No the 5th nor the 14th( this in particular was designed to address the freedom of slaves and is what has been used misinterpret the intent by lawyers ) address due process of illegal aliens or invaders. Any separation or cherry picking of classifications of illegals or invaders is not covered in any sense whatsoever of any amendments. The idea that just because a kid slipped over the border and mom retrieved him but decided to stay anyway is not a legal argument or standing.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:46 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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So, no due process for anyone accused of ANY crime?
Yes. This isn't hard. If someone enters illegally then they should be able to be immediately removed without much issue, if any
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:48 pm to Nosevens
So should we use combat helicopter to shoot people crossing the border?
I think almost every human alive delineates migrants and invader except republicans trying to avoid due process.
I think we all agree if chinese troops start crossing the border we aren’t deporting them to china. We aren’t sending ICE officials to home depot to pick them up. We’re killing them with various weapons.
I think almost every human alive delineates migrants and invader except republicans trying to avoid due process.
I think we all agree if chinese troops start crossing the border we aren’t deporting them to china. We aren’t sending ICE officials to home depot to pick them up. We’re killing them with various weapons.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:50 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Nice false equivalency. One is written in stone.
They are both in the Bill of Rights.
Neither is more or less ambiguous than the other. You trot out all these qualifiers for what satisfies due process (as if that’s codified in the Amendment), and yet you act like the 2A needs no other consideration.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:54 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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Why isn't there law in place saying if you avoid due process becoming a illegal immigrant...you automatically waive due process being deported, etc
There is. It's called expedited removal.
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Posted on 5/1/25 at 4:56 pm to SammyTiger
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So should we use combat helicopter to shoot people crossing the border?
I've always advocated for minefields.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:46 pm to SammyTiger
Now you are purposefully trying to sound like Sotomeyer, that is no way a compliment. If they are carrying weapons to do outright harm absolutely shoot them. If little Johnny, Letica and mommy cross then they should be deported asap without hesitation. But considering neither of that is what happened then maybe your own argument should be evaluated a bit. Majority, and by a lot, of all crossings were young males.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:19 pm to Nosevens
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Now you are purposefully trying to sound like Sotomeyer, that is no way a compliment. If they are carrying weapons to do outright harm absolutely shoot them. If little Johnny, Letica and mommy cross then they should be deported asap without hesitation.
yeah because invaders and illegal immigrants are 2 different things.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:20 am to SammyTiger
Well at least you can see they are different things and to be handled differently but none should stay in America illegally
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:23 am to VOR
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Legal residents
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