re: Why is there so much anger here for DeSantis?

A lot of people here, like me, have no anger towards DeSantis or Trump. These people still like Trump, also like DeSantis, are skeptical of Trump’s chances moving forward, and are cautious of DeSantis as well.

You have fans of DeSantis that are very protective of him and many of them are regurgitating their long repressed but original dislike of Trump.

You also have fans of Trump that will remain loyal to him regardless of any situation and will fight anyone seen as a possible displacer of Trump.

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The away team is anyone who isn’t part of the establishment agenda

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Let me guess there's only one away team member that can run for president in 24....

Desantis is part of the group. There’s a reason they have been trying to ruin Trump and anyone associated with him. They have a beautiful plan and it’s working. I’ve never seen a collaborative effort to ruin one man in my life. Luckily our government is inept. I don’t like all of Trumps actions but he is making the establishment scared. Much like Reagan.

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Unfortunately this is where we are headed. People refuse to see it or believe it bc it’s easy to be stuck on the idea that this is too extreme to be possible. But we are moving that way at warp speed. I’m not so much worried for myself, but I do worry for what my kids will know as normal.

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I’m with you on some of this. Yeah, things are the shits right now. But I’ve not lost hope. Partly because the (real) Right has not gotten off its arse yet. Also, like Trump for some things (I do), but the dude sucks balls as a leader. The Right has been a hot mess for a while now. We shouldn’t be surprised that Dems, even as bent as they are, have made headway.

Dems are the SEC of politics. It just means more to them and their corporate sponsorships and media relations are second to none. When you think about it, the new elections are a lot like the BCS/CFP.

But there’ll be a point where normal people get uncomfortable enough that they’ll stand up, get involved and fix things.

At least Ron knows how to clean up a voting process and make it fair and equitable.

You’re pretty much an idiot in your arguments. They are really immature and simple and don’t capture what’s happening. It’s pretty amusing watching you attempt to be relevant in your posts, but they miss the mark badly.

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I am a conservative in AZ. We believe the election was stolen in 2020. Arizona has had a Republican Governor, Republican AG, Republican senate and Republican House since then. They cleaned up election laws. And republicans put observers and lawyers in all the precincts, etc since last Tuesday. Yet for the first time in nearly 20 years we now have a Dem Governor. At some point we need to accept that the problem is us. Not to say Dems aren’t immoral assholes, but if we lost this election to cheating, it’s on us.

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What you’re basically saying, is that AZ votes republican, but in this time in history where republicans are more fueled up than ever before, they magically didn’t show up. I don’t buy it. The cheating doesn’t happen at the precincts. The cheat was the legalization of mass mail in voting. The game is rigged before it starts.

Now maybe it is on us bc we don’t take advantage of the opportunity for ballot harvesting. But I’m not sure we can win that game even if we played. Conservatives can’t compete with the dems in the low information/low morals sector and the weak arse Rinos that hold most republican offices won’t have anyone beat the pavement to get it done anyway. They don’t want true conservatives to win.

Anyway, I’m saying all this hoping you’re right and I’m dead wrong. Just hard to see it differently.

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Then why didn’t the Republican Governor, Republican AG and Republican legislature fix mail in voting?

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Because Republicans are an Establishment party, they only exist for controlled opposition.

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Then why didn’t the Republican Governor, Republican AG and Republican legislature fix mail in voting?

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Great question. They failed.

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Ballot harvesting is illegal in AZ. They fixed that. Only a family member or caregiver can deliver a ballot for someone else.

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Sounds good. But didn’t a mail in go to every registered voter? Or am I confusing AZ with another state? Can’t remember. Nobody is watching drop boxes or monitoring what circulates through the mail.

Idk how they do it. But what I do know is the process in AZ and other swing states isn’t transparent. Lack of transparency equals an opportunity for dishonesty. If people wanted election denial claims to go away, all they’d really have to do is support transparency. There was one chick that did, and they just made sure she didn’t win.