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re: Why is fascism connected to "RIGHT WING?"

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Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 1:12 pm to
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Many people don't understand that the end goal of Marxism is a stateless worker's utopia with no government.
I understand the lie but it's still a lie
Posted by s2
Southdowns
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 1:27 pm to
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Oh yay. This topic again.

you're such a puss...
Posted by tommy2tone1999
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:16 pm to
Because the left always projects
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:46 pm to
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I understand the lie but it's still a lie



It's not a "lie", it's an "ideal". Just like the right's ideal of Anarchy, and ideals in general, it's practically speaking, unachievable.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:48 pm to
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If public ownership = the state

It doesn't, there is no state. And no ownership as we know it. It was summed up by Marx as, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:55 pm to
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Yeah its a simple thought that goes through my mind. Would Gates and Bezos really give up their fortune in the name of equity? Or any of the uber wealthy?



That's what "purges" are for.

If the concentrations of wealth aren't willingly distributed, the holder of such is simply "purged" and the wealth distributed according to need.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:59 pm to
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It's not a "lie", it's an "ideal". Just like the right's ideal of Anarchy, and ideals in general, it's practically speaking, unachievable
No it's a lie. There is not a single advocate of marxism who believes that once you have full government ownership of the means of production that it will transition to just a bunch of people holding arms and singing kumbaya. They know it's not true because they know that the fundamental problem is that immediately certain people would begin to act privately again and that would have to be put down

They might as well say after Government gains Control over the means of production unicorn farts will take over.

Also your invocation of the supposed right ideal of anarchy Exposes you for the liberal you are. Because the right has no such ideal. The fact you make such a claim exposes you as a daily kos Democrat underground flunky..
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:00 pm to
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It doesn't, there is no state. And no ownership as we know it. It was summed up by Marx as, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Oh frickin pahleez.

Who administers this? Unicorn's?? Just stop it you're making a fool of yourself
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:03 pm to
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However, controlled opposition is needed in order to keep up appearances.

Typical rationalization of authoritarianism by the right.
Posted by civilag08
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:06 pm to
I had wondered the very same thing years ago. One of the things I came to realize that seems to be lost by some people, is that conservative values tend to be traditional values. What that means is also one of the reasons the word neocon developed due to every changing "values". One of the things that separated national socialism versus a global version of communism was that one aspect tied it with the values of their sovereign nation over a worldly rule. Germany was for Germany which is at odds of a global form of communism even though both forms of government were socialist-like in nature.

One of things you might ask yourself is what values are generally viewed as conservative? That may very from place to place. A person who holds traditionally values in the United States may see things from a perspective from generations that grew out of constitutional republic of the United States versus another region of the world that stemmed from corruption and wars and all kinds of entities attempts to rise to power. In one regard, the United States is sovereign country from it's beginnings, but in way that didn't arise from the same circumstances as Nazi Germany. So, when I see this in particular it seems to be either mud slinging politics or influence from foreign politics who don't understand the origins of the United States (which was far from perfect but was not Nazi Germany).

The other thing that muddies up the water is that fact that the values and social norms of society seems to always be changing. The United States was for the most part, founded by people of Christian faith. Whether or not you are Christian or read the bible or not, one of things that seems to occur (moving the goal post of society) is people that "do what is right in their own eyes", a good lesson from the Book of Judges. The problem with doing what is right in your own eyes versus having an absolute moral authority is that the next person/ or group in power sees things differently than you, and society is always adapting to new and changing social norms, which can (sometimes dangerously) become the traditional values for some that are raised in it can create more and more complicated social problems through time.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:46 pm to
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Also your invocation of the supposed right ideal of anarchy Exposes you for the liberal you are. Because the right has no such ideal. The fact you make such a claim exposes you as a daily kos Democrat underground flunky..

Jesus, fricking Christ, dude, don't ever ever think in a different direction?

To be honest, I was contrasting the Worker's Utopia with Anarcho-capitalism. And I'm not sure on what side of the spectrum Anarcho-capitalism exists, I was assuming the right since it advocates private ownership of the means of production, and espouses individual liberties over community rights.

I don't really believe in the simple political dichotomies that so many promote, and further, I don't believe any single ideology should be a goal of a society. Societies should embrace aspects of many ideologies in a mix that suits the needs of the society in terms of the greatest good for the greatest number.
Posted by Alex777
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:56 pm to
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To be honest, I was contrasting the Worker's Utopia with Anarcho-capitalism


Anarcho capitalism is not Utopic, none of it's theorists have ever mentioned how in such society poverty nor hunger would get fixed, let alone any of the others problems.

High Communism, aka worker's Utopia, does propose that in such system nor poverty nor hunger exist.

Also, Anarcho Capitalism is hardly the endgame of any right wing ideology, if you stretch it, like really much, you can say it's the endgame of libertarianism, and that's not true, just a tiny fraction of Libertarians want anarcho capitalism.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:18 pm to
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be honest, I was contrasting the Worker's Utopia with Anarcho-capitalism. And I'm not sure on what side of the spectrum Anarcho-capitalism exists, I was assuming the right since it advocates private ownership of the means of production, and espouses individual liberties over community rights.
Is given that in both the workers utopia and anarcho-capitalism You basically have a free-for-all there's really no distinction Other than the fantasies of the people that write them.

Any attempt to draw parallels between it's between today's left and they're embracing of marxism and today's right to yet to unarco capitalism is silly given that today's lef that today's left is far far far more prone to embrace marxism.

You can count on one hand with at least 4 fingers left over the number of prominent anarcho capitalists Anywhere near mainstream right wing thinkers. You would need thousands of fingers to do the same for marxist and the left wing
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:19 pm to
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Also, Anarcho Capitalism is hardly the endgame of any right wing ideology
Exactly. It was a completely stupid comparison on his part
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:22 pm to
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High Communism, aka worker's Utopia, does propose that in such system nor poverty nor hunger exist.
I am amused that marxists even try to claim this would be anything but a free-for-all. If there is a reason that you will never hear a marxist even try to explain how that bullshite would work
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:23 pm to
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Typical rationalization of authoritarianism by the right.


Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:24 pm to
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Oh frickin pahleez.

Who administers this? Unicorn's?? Just stop it you're making a fool of yourself


Are you a child, or just senile?

It's an IDEAL. There's nothing realistic about it.

The Existentialists disposed of platonic ideals. Unfortunately, Marx didn't live long enough to learn that.

I'm just telling what Marx's theory was. I'm not saying it will come to pass. That's the problem you have with making assumptions, they lead you to invalid conclusions.

Just fricking stop it already.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:25 pm to
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Why is fascism connected to "RIGHT WING?


No offense but I read nothing below your thread topic.

GASLIGHTING is the answer. Plain and simple.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:28 pm to
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It's an IDEAL. There's nothing realistic about it.
It's not an ideal because they can't even explain how it might work even in a perfect world . It's nothing more than unicorn farts.

And don't think that marx inserted it there For no reason. He understood that people would recognize what communism was. Totalitarian at its core. So you basically threw in unicorn farts And a lot of moron's bought into it as something that could actually happen.

Regardless your attempt to play the both sides game by comparing it to right wing thought was Stupid and you know it
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:29 pm to
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Just fricking stop it already
You are the one that inserted what you plainly now argue is an irrelevance. Then try to draw similarities with right wing thinking where there were none. You should have stopped it already
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