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Why is diminishing the 4th amendment acceptable, but not the 2nd
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:22 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:22 am
I am curious as to why some on here are so opposed to the idea of diminishing the second amendment in the name of security. Especially considering that the 4th amendment was sacrificed for essentially the same purpose and was cheered on at the time and repeatedly, even within the last few weeks (Patriot Act, FISA, 702, asset forfeiture, various SCOTUS cases, etc.).
Why is sacrificing your rights for security acceptable for some things, but not others?
Why is sacrificing your rights for security acceptable for some things, but not others?
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:23 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:
Why is diminishing the 4th amendment acceptable
It's not
/thread
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Don't like that BS either...
Just another reason to hate/vote against the Uniparty.
Just another reason to hate/vote against the Uniparty.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:24 am to NYNolaguy1
How about we just stop adding stuff to the bill of rights that aren’t in them. Like the “separation of church and state”.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:24 am to Wtodd
quote:
It's not
/thread
Most Americans (left and right) dont seem to have a problem with it (including a significant portion of this board).
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:24 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:
Patriot Act, FISA, 702, asset forfeiture,
Are you ever on this board?
I never see ANYBODY supporting ANY of these things.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:24 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:False premise.
was cheered on at the time and repeatedly, even within the last few weeks (Patriot Act, FISA, 702, asset forfeiture, various SCOTUS cases, etc.)
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:25 am to NYNolaguy1
Because the unreasonable searches and seizures are only against the bad guys.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:26 am to Godfather1
quote:
Are you ever on this board?
I never see ANYBODY supporting ANY of these things.
Trump reissuing FISA with no amendments, even though he was aware of its abuses, was conveniently ignored by many
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:26 am to NYNolaguy1
Have you not been paying attention to the outrage over the Obama admin abuses of the FISA process?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:26 am to Godfather1
quote:
I never see ANYBODY supporting ANY of these things.
There was a large contingent of "patriots" that supported Patriot Act, 702, and their associated renewals, not to mention some on this board that still support asset forfeiture.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:27 am to CleverUserName
quote:
Have you not been paying attention to the outrage over the Obama admin abuses of the FISA process?
Yet no outrage about the current admin reissuing the same process with no amendments to try and fix the abuses?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:27 am to The Boat
quote:
Like the “separation of church and state”.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:28 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:Maybe most Americans don’t have a problem with it but I completely disagree with the "significant portion of this board" part of your statement. It's one of the rare topics that brings out universal disgust from the majority of the board, regardless of ideology or political affiliation.
Most Americans (left and right) dont seem to have a problem with it (including a significant portion of this board).
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:28 am to CleverUserName
quote:
Have you not been paying attention to the outrage over the Obama admin abuses of the FISA process?
Just because they got caught weaponizing it doesnt change that it was passed emphatically by the right.
Bad laws are bad laws regardless of who passes or enforces them.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:29 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Because the unreasonable searches and seizures are only against the bad guys.
Of course
.Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:31 am to The Boat
quote:
How about we just stop adding stuff to the bill of rights that aren’t in them. Like the “separation of church and state”.
Everything that associates with the state becomes corrupt. Not separating church and state has had terrible consequences for us. Forcing morality by using guns and locking people in cages is a far cry from Christ-like
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:32 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
Maybe most Americans don’t have a problem with it but I completely disagree with the "significant portion of this board" part of your statement. It's one of the rare topics that brings out universal disgust from the majority of the board, regardless of ideology or political affiliation.
I would like to go back to 2015 when the USA Freedom act was passed and get a general consensus about how many were in favor then. I suspect it was a good plurality of this board.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 8:33 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:34 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:Same thing can be said for nearly the entire Constitution. But the 2nd has been greatly diminished and violated. All gun permits and gun control is violation of 2nd Amendment bc all gun control is infringement.
Why is diminishing the 4th amendment acceptable,
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:50 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:
Why is diminishing the 4th amendment acceptable
It's not to the Conservatives. It is to the left.
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