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re: Why is Alec Baldwin responsible for murder?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:01 pm to VolcanicTiger
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:01 pm to VolcanicTiger
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”Ignorance of the law is no defense", but ignorance of fact is a defense.
quote:This may be the smartest post I have ever seen from you.
Civil suits don't require the mens rea, so the victims' families could sue and have a good shot at winning, since the actus reus is pretty much beyond question now, and the burden shifts from "beyond reasonable doubt" to "the preponderance of the evidence" (i.e. it's more likely than not that he did it).
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:02 pm to mouton
quote:FFS
He killed her because she was about to expose child trafficking. Just like Anne Heches mysterious death
“Halyna, just set-up your work station directly behind this camera, so that I can pretend to shoot you by accident.”
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:05 pm to ForTheWin81
quote:Even at the cinematographer?
How tf do you dummies think movies are made, every action movie shoots guns with blanks AT people.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:05 pm to AubieinNC2009
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He pulled the trigger while pointing at someone.
Thats grossly incompetent. To the point of it being almost unimaginable for an adult to do.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:06 pm to MRF
quote:My exact words were "reasonably possibly working". Any gun has a non-zero chance of being loaded, but if it's a 1% chance that's reasonably possible; 0.000001% is not reasonable. However, I'd agree that the knowledge that there were live rounds fired on the set (Lord knows why) would put that into the realm of "reasonably possible".
He did intend to shoot a possibly working gun, as he knew that there were live rounds used in that very gun on that very set. He knew this, and how it violated protocol, for which he was responsible as the boss, but he recklessly fired it anyway.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:08 pm to thelawnwranglers
I’m don’t think his culpability isn’t “murder”.
But it is certainly “negligence”.
But it is certainly “negligence”.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:11 pm to ForTheWin81
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How tf do you dummies think movies are made, every action movie shoots guns with blanks AT people.
Ignorant.
Even in movies, they don't point directly at someone. When they use a firearm in the movies, there's protocols which were not followed here.
Even a blank can kill you in the right place (Temple) so they do NOT aim directly at actors.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:13 pm to thelawnwranglers
nothing to see here..........
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:15 pm to Smokeyone
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He was criminally negligent
I don't know what the standards are in this particular case for "criminally negligent". I would imagine it balances the odds of something going wrong with the gravity of the consequences. Doing something innocent like swatting a mosquito that sets off a Rube Goldberg chain of events that end in someone dying doesn't end up being criminally negligent just because of the result. It may depend on his background. I am meticulous with my guns, just double-checked 10 handguns because I used 4 of them yesterday before storing them from range bags. Dumbass Baldwin may not have known to always treat a gun as though it were loaded, but if he did, then your opinion holds more and more weight. I'm not really disagreeing with you, just pointing out that it's not so easy to tell from what info we have. Aside from not wishing the worst for his one conservative brother, I think Alec could get the electric chair for jaywalking and and I'd bring the popcorn.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:23 pm to BigD45
Too bad for Alec the crime didn’t happen in LA.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 4:54 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:Why? He will not be charged in New Mexico, either.
Too bad for Alec the crime didn’t happen in LA.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Ignorant.
Even in movies, they don't point directly at someone.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:07 pm to thelawnwranglers
Bait
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:23 pm to Big Jim Slade
quote:
Did he check the gun?
Clearly, he did not, so...
quote:
Not exactly clear cut.
It most certainly is clear cut.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 6:48 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Ignorant.
Even in movies, they don't point directly at someone.
Clearly, he meant point directly and shoot a blank. As has been pointed out, even a true blank can be dangerous, even fatal.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:22 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Can you link to anything establishing that Baldwin was aware of this purported activity, or participated in it?
No, mensa, which is why I qualified it with "if what I've read is true". I'm not trying him in a court of law, I'm giving my opinion on his personal responsibility if what I've read is accurate. Since nobody knows anything about this case aside from what they've read, are you suggesting that we shouldn't even be discussing it or forming opinions? And if so, does that include your opinion?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:30 pm to AggieHank86
What is the point of this series of images? Do you know these were functional firearms? If yes, these would be wildly unsafe. I suspect most or all of these were not functional.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:37 pm to Giantkiller
quote:
It was an accident. I know you all wanna hang the dude. I can't stand the douchebag myself... But obviously it was a terrible accident.
Alec Baldwin didn't set out to murder some grip that day.
Halyna Hutchins was never a grip, she was a cinemaographer on this film, and mostly held director of photography type roles before this. And it wasn't an accident. He intentionally pointed a loaded weapon at her and pulled the trigger.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:39 pm to thelawnwranglers
Because he pointed a pistol at a woman, pulled the trigger, now she's dead.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:44 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Why? He will not be charged in New Mexico, either.
It's beginning to look like that, isn't it? Let's hope there are enterprising defense attorneys in New Mexico who will use the "Alec Baldwin Defense" should they have clients in the same situation.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 7:45 pm
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