re: Why is abortion so important to the Left?

1 Corinthians 2:10-16
English Standard Version
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.[a]

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

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So why is abortion so important to the Left?

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Because the "right" being right is against it.

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Why is abortion so important to the Left?

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Bc they hate black people

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Doesn't make axioms useful?

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Inherently useful. Simply stating what they are and that they are sometimes useful doesn't make it inherently true in this case.

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Everyone needs to appeal to an authority of some source in order to know anything.

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That's what religion necessitates, sure. But it isn't required, and we should always strive to avoid it.

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The gods came from a perversion of our desire to worship

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Yours included.

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I disagree. In addition to what I just said about shifting worship from gods to men, people in general are moving away from formal religion and to spirituality generally. It's not that people are moving from a focus on the immaterial to the material, or from the supernatural to the natural. There's a greater interest in the occult right now compared to recent history in the West. People gravitate towards the spiritual because we are spiritual beings. Education has nothing to do with it because knowledge and education about the material world cannot explain everything, as much as materialists want it to.

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Spirituality doesn't require a deity.

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As much as we would like to think that society establishes morality, it doesn't.

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Yes it does. Society, knowledge, and belief decide a moral system.

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If your worldview, no words have any value outside of each individual's own beliefs. 

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Incorrect. We're still bound by fear, ignorance, and the lines drawn by society.

Because they've been indoctrinated by TV man and woman to believe that children are:

A boat anchor stopping you from being free to get away for a trip

A financial commitment

A burden to a woman's career

A useful tool for a woman to suck the financial blood out of a man

Time consuming

A personal responsibility



Many don't even want children (and by the looks of some, those hideous monsters ain't getting knocked up anyway), it's why they're so adamant about controlling yours. That way they get to remake in their image without the responsibility of rearing a child into the world.

God or Jesus? because we all know the new testiment was written after Jesus died and the whole thing is someone else recalling this words.....a roman emporer and his schollars no less

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Inherently useful. Simply stating what they are and that they are sometimes useful doesn't make it inherently true in this case.

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Yes it does. It's exactly how we make our way through the reality we live in. We have to trust that there are certain fundamental truths that exist in order for us to make sense of things. That's where axioms come in. They are the bedrock for understanding reality. That's extremely useful, which is why everyone has them and uses them to formulate worldviews. Even you do this (because everyone does).

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That's what religion necessitates, sure. But it isn't required, and we should always strive to avoid it.

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Why "should" anyone do anything in your worldview? Where does the "ought" come from when all people are cosmic accidents and there is no greater authority in this universe? Do what you want, then die. It doesn't matter. The conclusion is Nihilism, because there is no inherent, objective purpose to life in that worldview.

And we appeal to authority because we aren't God. We are not omniscient nor are we omnipresent. We certainly aren't omnipotent. We are weak, fallible, ignorant creatures, and we cannot know all things, so we look to others to do that for us to varying degrees. It's why people put their trust in politicians, scientists, and supposed experts in various fields, because no person has the ability to know everything there is to know about any one thing, much less all things. And this is true for each individual, so it's not like each generation improves.

There's only so much information our brains can absorb and retain, and that doesn't change by having access to newer and more information. In fact, it seems that the younger generations know less and are more ignorant than the older ones were at their age because there is so much intellectual laziness, both on the students as well as the teachers. We have the entirety of the collective knowledge of the world at our finger tips but very few are interested in accessing it.

Even more, it's not just the information, itself, that is important, but how we interpret and apply it. This is where worldviews come in, and those are not just shaped by pure information, but by philosophy and morality among other things. Science can't answer philosophical questions and they can't answer moral ones, either. It's why it is fallacious to assume that simply gaining more information is going to make people less spiritual/religious, because materialism cannot answer all the questions that people naturally have.

God created us as spiritual and moral beings, which is why we naturally gravitate towards worship and we understand at a foundational level that objective morality exists even if we deny it with our words.

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Yours included.

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No, not mine included. God has always existed and made mankind with the capacity and inclination to worship because we were created to worship God. Sin has not removed that capacity nor inclination, but has perverted the object of it so that we seek to worship anything but our creator. We create other gods that are just like us but with super powers. We create idols that are just as sinful and fallen as we are. God is not like that, and we naturally avoid Him because He is wholly other than we are.

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Spirituality doesn't require a deity.

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Correct, but spirituality denies the naturalistic materialism that you assume all the world will head towards when we learn more and more information about the natural world.

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Yes it does. Society, knowledge, and belief decide a moral system.

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Society can choose whatever moral system they want to adhere to collectively, but they don't establish morality generally, because society doesn't create what already exists. Morality is an intrinsic characteristic and is expressed through societal organization, usually in form of government, but it is also expressed through the individual. I may be expelled from society for having a different moral standard than society has recognized, but society didn't establish morality; it's innate, because it comes foundationally from our creator, who created us in His image with a sense of what is moral built into our design.

But to show the inconsistency of your argument: you must recognize that if objective morality doesn't exist, and that if societies can and do create their own moral frameworks, then the natural conclusion is that no moral system can be objectively "better" than any other. What is, is, and there is nothing better or worse than what is agreed upon by whatever society at whatever time. Therefore, there can be no judgement of other societies and their moral systems in such a worldview. The religious theocracy that burns witches, executes homosexuals, sexually tortures and subjugates women is no better or worse than the society that exalts women, promotes equality in all things, and rejects ignorant superstition. Why? Because there is no single objective standard to compare both of those frameworks to to say one is better than the other.

You, yourself, talk in terms of "better" or "advancement", do you not? Do you not think that it's better for society to throw away religious superstition? To pursue justice, equity, and equality? To promote reason and science above religious belief? Do you not vote and promote your worldview as something to be preferred by others, too? If so, you are in contradiction to your own worldview, and are not living consistently within it. This is the absurdity if your thinking and reasoning when you reject God.

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Incorrect. We're still bound by fear, ignorance, and the lines drawn by society.

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I think you confuse what is with what must be. Your worldview makes value and meaning, meaningless. Saying that we have meaning and value in society doesn't address that your worldview doesn't allow that possibility when we act consistently with it.

You should repent of your irrational worldview that rejects your creator and His law for us and turn to Jesus Christ, the son of God, who was sent to obey the law perfectly as a perfect sacrifice on our behalf. Trust in Jesus by faith before your worship of yourself and other men drags you to Hell for eternity. Repent and believe now, while you can.

For leftists to implement their agenda they have to totally transform American society. American society has from the beginning been based upon the family, namely a husband and wife raising children with Judeo-Christian values. The leftist agenda would never be remotely popular enough to gain traction in such a society. Thus, literally every facet of their efforts has been for the past century to (1) expunge Judeo-Christian values from society and (2) destroy the family as the basis of American society.

Abortion is (1) anti-Christian and (2) destroys families. This is why it’s so important to leftists. It’s as simple as that.

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Yes it does.

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No, it doesn't. Just because something can be useful, doesn't mean it's always useful.

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Why "should" anyone do anything in your worldview? Where does the "ought" come from when all people are cosmic accidents and there is no greater authority in this universe?

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There's no reason for "should" or "ought" to be consistent. It isn't now, and the majority of people on this planet don't believe what you believe.

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Do what you want, then die. It doesn't matter. 

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This comes from fear and arrogance. Live your life, be happy, leave a legacy if you choose. Maybe that doesn't matter to you. Maybe the only thing that matters to you is the hope that your life has more meaning because you have a hole that religion fills.

That isn't everyone.

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No, not mine included. 

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Yes, yours included. Your god isn't special, or even unique.

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Correct

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Indeed.

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Society can choose whatever moral system they want to adhere to collectively, but they don't establish morality generally, because society doesn't create what already exists.

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Society does establish morality. Society also modifies morality. This isn't a secret for any student of history.

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Your worldview makes value and meaning, meaningless.

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No it doesn't. It just doesn't rely on mythology, fear, and ignorance. I don't need to hope for a better life with someone I hope exists. I already have that.

The left hate the concept of personal responsibility - and they love every form of perversion under the son - so that’s how you get abortion.