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re: Why don't republicans focus on making college and health care cheaper for everyone
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:07 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:07 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:well at least the Dems talk a good game, repubs would get slaughtered with your message
Good night, moron. And good luck finding a government official who can "lower costs" in some magical way.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:11 pm to bobBoxer
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This attitude is how you get joe Biden again, Dems gonna run laps around repubs, and ain't it got nothing to do with cheating, but people with attitudes like yours
Yes, people always like to hear all the free things a politician will give them if you just vote for them and their party. They vote for them, then the politicians yank the football away, and the cycle repeats. You get distracted by “attitudes” while they’re resetting that football.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:13 pm to Spaniard
quote:it is and repubs will stick their heads in the sand about it while the house is falling down around them, instead of actually coming up with some solutions
The system is broken.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:14 pm to Loserman
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That was true until federal back student loans and Pell grants
This.
Once that occurred, colleges were incentivized to keep raising their prices.
If Loserman wants politicians to come to the rescue and “do something” to intervene, he needs to advocate for politicians who want to get rid of Pell grants and federally backed student loans.
Good luck with that.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:16 pm to Spaniard
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It’s a house of cards.
It really is. I enjoyed this thread, but this is the inescapable conclusion.
Libertarians are right that government meddling distorts prices, and socialists are right that “the invisible hand” tends to crush too many of us to ever make libertarian remedies politically palatable. So we will continue building this ugly structure until it collapses.
If you really think that government is why American medicine is the utter catastrophe that is, then you are blinded by your ideology. It is capitalism run amok. It’s predators preying, nothing more and nothing less. And it isn’t “high quality,” if you mean that it produces good outcomes for the population. We are the sickest of all industrialized countries, and somehow all these bullshite pharmaceuticals we take aren’t curing it. I used to advocate for Medicare for all, but now I just think the entire industry is full of sociopaths and that the only solution is to avoid it unless absolutely necessary.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:17 pm to bobBoxer
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colleges and hospitals aren't businesses
Wow. There are no words
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:23 pm to SquaringCircles
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It really is. I enjoyed this thread, but this is the inescapable conclusion.
Libertarians are right that government meddling distorts prices, and socialists are right that “the invisible hand” tends to crush too many of us to ever make libertarian remedies politically palatable. So we will continue building this ugly structure until it collapses.
If you really think that government is why American medicine is the utter catastrophe that is, then you are blinded by your ideology. It is capitalism run amok. It’s predators preying, nothing more and nothing less. And it isn’t “high quality,” if you mean that it produces good outcomes for the population. We are the sickest of all industrialized countries, and somehow all these bullshite pharmaceuticals we take aren’t curing it. I used to advocate for Medicare for all, but now I just think the entire industry is full of sociopaths and that the only solution is to avoid it unless absolutely necessary.
I agree 1000%
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:25 pm to bobBoxer
Let’s see two industries the Government is heavily involved in are Education and Medicine. See how that works?….
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:28 pm to BugAC
Related to the OP? Would explain a lot.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:30 pm to SquaringCircles
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It is capitalism run amok.
How does that happen? Be sure not to leave out the government in your answer as to not appear blinded by ideology
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:44 pm to Jack Carter
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How does that happen?
Where do I start? Off the top of my head, the new Alzheimer’s drugs hitting the market reduce amyloid but do not improve symptoms, while also causing brain swelling. The costs are going to be through the effin roof for no proven benefit, which will be good for the industry and investors but a catastrophe for the cost-sharing mechanisms the we developed ad hoc over the past century.
SSRIs do not outpeform placebos, are addictive, and are based on a mythology about serotonin and depression. We all pay for these drugs, whether we use them or not.
The cholesterol theory of heart disease has been seriously challenged by numerous studies over the years, but the industry is in deep on statins so they refuse to revisit the model. We all pay for these drugs, whether we use them or not.
The list goes on and on and on. We pay for dangerous and ineffective bullshite. The industry got so big and powerful that it bought the regulators and then it bought our media outlets. Watch any news program. Notice anything about the commercials?
Lifting the ban on direct to consumer advertising was a grave mistake.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:45 pm to ShinerHorns
Free market forces are inadequate, even cruel, for health care and higher education.
Public funding is the only solution-- think of healthcare and college education as infrastructure
Public funding is the only solution-- think of healthcare and college education as infrastructure
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:46 pm to bobBoxer
If you truly wanted to lower the costs of college (and health care), you'd get the federal government completely out of both industries.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 11:47 pm to bobBoxer
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.” - Ronald Reagan
Posted on 7/1/23 at 12:03 am to SquaringCircles
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Where do I start? Off the top of my head, the new Alzheimer’s drugs hitting the market reduce amyloid but do not improve symptoms, while also causing brain swelling. The costs are going to be through the effin roof for no proven benefit, which will be good for the industry and investors but a catastrophe for the cost-sharing mechanisms the we developed ad hoc over the past century.
That’s all due to government, not the market.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 12:19 am to SquaringCircles
quote:Hard to describer a system that's almost entirely dependent on third party payers as "capitalism".
If you really think that government is why American medicine is the utter catastrophe that is, then you are blinded by your ideology. It is capitalism run amok.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 12:30 am to SquaringCircles
quote:"We" don't. Government and insurance companies do. Yet... no one is forced to take any medication if they don't want to. But they choose to. Why,? Because why the hell not, they aren't paying for it. They don't care if it works good or makes financial sense. No reason to.
We pay for dangerous and ineffective bullshite.
None of that is "capitalism". It's the end result of collectivism-- ie "someone else" is paying.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 12:38 am to Taxing Authority
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Hard to describer a system that's almost entirely dependent on third party payers as "capitalism".
Big pharma and insurance companies are heavily involved in our health care system, 2020 taught us that
Posted on 7/1/23 at 12:48 am to bobBoxer
quote:Large corporations and government conspiring together to their own benefit, not those of the consumer... also not a description of capitalism. There is a word for that. But it's not capitalism.
Big pharma and insurance companies are heavily involved in our health care system, 2020 taught us that
Posted on 7/1/23 at 1:23 am to bobBoxer
Why don't parents steer their kids to trade schools and community colleges for marketable skills instead of expensive universities for a worthless art degree.
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