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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:35 am to UL-SabanRival
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:35 am to UL-SabanRival
quote:91 people were killed in the bombing of the King David Hotel. 470 people were killed in Iran in 1978 when anti-Shah radical burned down a crowded theater. How about when Muslims seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca? 255 people were killed. Those were two acts in which Muslims struck at other Muslims that were both deadlier than the King David Hotel incident. Your knowledge of history is pretty scant since it cannot withstand the scrutiny of a simple Google search using the parameters "deadliest acts of terrorism".
shite, until 9/11, the deadliest act of terrorism in history was the bombing of the King David hotel, which killed British soldiers.
Your ignorance of history, and willingness to put it on display, provides me with all the evidence I need to question the wisdom of your opinions or the logic upon which you formed them.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 11:03 am to Burt Reynolds
quote:
Burt Reynolds
I don't even know if you are in this thread anymore because I could only get through 5 pages of your idiocy, but if you are let, understand that you are a walking contradiction. You can't have it both ways. Either the past is the past and we can only talk about the future, or you need to go make amends for all the wrong Americans did to people in the past to get you to where you are now. Life sucks and Israel being made and booting out others probably wasn't the best idea, but you probably weren't even born when that happened so get over it.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 11:07 am to Poodlebrain
quote:
91 people were killed in the bombing of the King David Hotel. 470 people were killed in Iran in 1978 when anti-Shah radical burned down a crowded theater. How about when Muslims seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca? 255 people were killed. Those were two acts in which Muslims struck at other Muslims that were both deadlier than the King David Hotel incident. Your knowledge of history is pretty scant since it cannot withstand the scrutiny of a simple Google search using the parameters "deadliest acts of terrorism". Your ignorance of history, and willingness to put it on display, provides me with all the evidence I need to question the wisdom of your opinions or the logic upon which you formed them.
Boom?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 11:13 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:
Call me when Hamas stops shooting rockets and announces it will recognize Israel exists and isn't going anywhere. Yeah right. They can have Gaza and the West Bank
The problem is that Netanyahu says that he will never lift the naval blockade even if Hamas meets all of his demands, because he doesn't believe the Palestinians should have sovereignty.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 7/28/14 at 12:29 pm to trackfan
Trackfan, just a question, do you think a peace agreement could ever truly happen and if yes or no, why?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 12:55 pm to Poodlebrain
Oh right. I forgot that we change the definition of terrorism to fit our political purposes. If so, definitely include Deir Yassin in your figurin, hoss. Btw, I noticed that not one of you has refuted a syllable of my brief history if Zionism. Good call. In any event, it doesn't change the fact that Jewish settlers started all of this with their incursion into land that was not theirs. How about we talk about who INVENTED terrorism in the region? To wit, you little kneelers-
A brief history of Irgun
THE FIRST modern terrorist group in the Middle East was not an Islamic fundamentalist movement but rather, the Zionist group Irgun Tsvai-Leumi (military national organization). Created in 1931, Irgun denounced any moderate attempts to negotiate for a Jewish state, instead demanding that the native Arabs AND British troops alike, evacuate the land (wow, that's gratitude for you). Irgun was funded secretly by wealthy Polish government officials, ironically including anti-Semites who hoped a Jewish state would mean the departure of Poland's Jewish population. I'm sure there's a joke here, but I digress.
During the so-called Arab Revolt of 1936-1939, Irgun and Pals killed 3112 Arabs vs 329 Jews killed by Arabs. Four years later, Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, merged with the IDF and broadened it's attacks to include, you guessed it, British officials, proving once and for all that they are no one's friends.
Here's the Not Top 10.
April 25, 1946 - Irgun raid kills seven British soldiers at a Tel Aviv arsenal.
July 22, 1946 - the aforementioned King David hotel bombing kills 91 people, including 17 Jews, btw. However, because of poodledick's mastery of semantics, clearly, this never happened.
September 9, 1946 - Tel Aviv bombing kills 2 British officers.
October 8, 1946 - Irgun land mine outside of Jerusalem kills two British soldiers and wounds fifteen.
October 31, 1946 - Irgun bombs the British embassy in Rome.
November 17, 1946 - Irgun mine in Tel Aviv kills three policemen and an RAF sergeant.
July 12, 1947 - Irgun kidnappers abduct two British soldiers and hang them on July 30th.
September 29, 1947 - Irgun bombs a police station in Haifa, killing 8 policemen and two Arab civilians.
December 29, 1947 - Irgun grenade attack on a Jerusalem cafe kills 11 Arabs and 2 British police officers.
And of course
April 9, 1948 - Irgun, joined by the Stern Gang (led by another future Israeli president, Yitzhak Shamir) invade the village of Deir Yassin, murdering approx. 100-120 unarmed civilians.
Perhaps not satisfied with the body count, Irgun propagandists claimed that 254 people had actually been killed, which the little pieces of shite would later call "an Arab exaggeration"
"As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere." - Chaim (F.) Weismann
There. Google that.
Jesus, whoever said "the truth will set you free" was such an a-hole. Free from what? Being happy?
A brief history of Irgun
THE FIRST modern terrorist group in the Middle East was not an Islamic fundamentalist movement but rather, the Zionist group Irgun Tsvai-Leumi (military national organization). Created in 1931, Irgun denounced any moderate attempts to negotiate for a Jewish state, instead demanding that the native Arabs AND British troops alike, evacuate the land (wow, that's gratitude for you). Irgun was funded secretly by wealthy Polish government officials, ironically including anti-Semites who hoped a Jewish state would mean the departure of Poland's Jewish population. I'm sure there's a joke here, but I digress.
During the so-called Arab Revolt of 1936-1939, Irgun and Pals killed 3112 Arabs vs 329 Jews killed by Arabs. Four years later, Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, merged with the IDF and broadened it's attacks to include, you guessed it, British officials, proving once and for all that they are no one's friends.
Here's the Not Top 10.
April 25, 1946 - Irgun raid kills seven British soldiers at a Tel Aviv arsenal.
July 22, 1946 - the aforementioned King David hotel bombing kills 91 people, including 17 Jews, btw. However, because of poodledick's mastery of semantics, clearly, this never happened.
September 9, 1946 - Tel Aviv bombing kills 2 British officers.
October 8, 1946 - Irgun land mine outside of Jerusalem kills two British soldiers and wounds fifteen.
October 31, 1946 - Irgun bombs the British embassy in Rome.
November 17, 1946 - Irgun mine in Tel Aviv kills three policemen and an RAF sergeant.
July 12, 1947 - Irgun kidnappers abduct two British soldiers and hang them on July 30th.
September 29, 1947 - Irgun bombs a police station in Haifa, killing 8 policemen and two Arab civilians.
December 29, 1947 - Irgun grenade attack on a Jerusalem cafe kills 11 Arabs and 2 British police officers.
And of course
April 9, 1948 - Irgun, joined by the Stern Gang (led by another future Israeli president, Yitzhak Shamir) invade the village of Deir Yassin, murdering approx. 100-120 unarmed civilians.
Perhaps not satisfied with the body count, Irgun propagandists claimed that 254 people had actually been killed, which the little pieces of shite would later call "an Arab exaggeration"
"As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere." - Chaim (F.) Weismann
There. Google that.
Jesus, whoever said "the truth will set you free" was such an a-hole. Free from what? Being happy?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:16 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:
Trackfan, just a question, do you think a peace agreement could ever truly happen and if yes or no, why?
Yes, I think it could happen if the U.S. quits playing the role of Israel's lawyer, and imposes its own solution on the problem, which basically calls for two SOVEREIGN states (no Israeli troops in the Jordan River Valley and no naval blackade of Gaza) based on the 1967 borders, East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine and a recognition of the right of return for a symbolic number of refugees, and compensation for the rest. As for Israel's security concerns, even Hamas' truce offer calls for allowing U.S. troops to patrol the borders to make sure no heavy weapons get in.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:21 pm to trackfan
There won't be peace in that region till the Prince of Peace returns.
Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:27 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:
I don't even know if you are in this thread anymore because I could only get through 5 pages of your idiocy, but if you are let, understand that you are a walking contradiction. You can't have it both ways. Either the past is the past and we can only talk about the future, or you need to go make amends for all the wrong Americans did to people in the past to get you to where you are now. Life sucks and Israel being made and booting out others probably wasn't the best idea, but you probably weren't even born when that happened so get over it.
Wut
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:28 pm to Revelator
quote:
There won't be peace in that region till the Prince of Peace returns.
What is he waiting on? Now is a good time.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:32 pm to UL-SabanRival
quote:
Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism? Oh right. I forgot that we change the definition of terrorism to fit our political purposes. If so, definitely include Deir Yassin in your figurin, hoss. Btw, I noticed that not one of you has refuted a syllable of my brief history if Zionism. Good call. In any event, it doesn't change the fact that Jewish settlers started all of this with their incursion into land that was not theirs. How about we talk about who INVENTED terrorism in the region? To wit, you little kneelers- A brief history of Irgun THE FIRST modern terrorist group in the Middle East was not an Islamic fundamentalist movement but rather, the Zionist group Irgun Tsvai-Leumi (military national organization). Created in 1931, Irgun denounced any moderate attempts to negotiate for a Jewish state, instead demanding that the native Arabs AND British troops alike, evacuate the land (wow, that's gratitude for you). Irgun was funded secretly by wealthy Polish government officials, ironically including anti-Semites who hoped a Jewish state would mean the departure of Poland's Jewish population. I'm sure there's a joke here, but I digress. During the so-called Arab Revolt of 1936-1939, Irgun and Pals killed 3112 Arabs vs 329 Jews killed by Arabs. Four years later, Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, merged with the IDF and broadened it's attacks to include, you guessed it, British officials, proving once and for all that they are no one's friends. Here's the Not Top 10. April 25, 1946 - Irgun raid kills seven British soldiers at a Tel Aviv arsenal. July 22, 1946 - the aforementioned King David hotel bombing kills 91 people, including 17 Jews, btw. However, because of poodledick's mastery of semantics, clearly, this never happened. September 9, 1946 - Tel Aviv bombing kills 2 British officers. October 8, 1946 - Irgun land mine outside of Jerusalem kills two British soldiers and wounds fifteen. October 31, 1946 - Irgun bombs the British embassy in Rome. November 17, 1946 - Irgun mine in Tel Aviv kills three policemen and an RAF sergeant. July 12, 1947 - Irgun kidnappers abduct two British soldiers and hang them on July 30th. September 29, 1947 - Irgun bombs a police station in Haifa, killing 8 policemen and two Arab civilians. December 29, 1947 - Irgun grenade attack on a Jerusalem cafe kills 11 Arabs and 2 British police officers. And of course April 9, 1948 - Irgun, joined by the Stern Gang (led by another future Israeli president, Yitzhak Shamir) invade the village of Deir Yassin, murdering approx. 100-120 unarmed civilians. Perhaps not satisfied with the body count, Irgun propagandists claimed that 254 people had actually been killed, which the little pieces of shite would later call "an Arab exaggeration" "As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere." - Chaim (F.) Weismann There. Google that. Jesus, whoever said "the truth will set you free" was such an a-hole. Free from what? Being happy?
SabanRival bringing the wood
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:33 pm to Big12fan
quote:
What is he waiting on? Now is a good time.
There is good reasons for his timing;
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:37 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:
SabanRival bringing the wood
Not really, its hard to take someone seriously when they lied and said that Israel was responsible for the largest terrorist attack ever before 9/11.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:59 pm to Burt Reynolds
Let's not forget wounded Knee about terrorism. Let's ask the Munich athletes murdered or Leon Klinghoffer. How about 3,000 people downtown from me about terrorism.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:09 pm to Revelator
quote:
There won't be peace in that region till the Prince of Peace returns.
obama has a nobel peace prize
is that who you're talking about?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:29 pm to Burt Reynolds
I'm not a Dispensationalist, so I'm not a "Zionist". I'm a Christian who believes that Christians (of any race or nationality) are the "true Jews" due to faith, not by bloodlines.
I honestly don't care what goes on over there, but I suppose that I support Israel out of respect for a country who is surrounded by enemies but continues to do what is necessary to stay alive and protect its people, and in a mostly civilized way. As soon as Israel starts using its own people as human shields against Hamas or anyone else as a matter of practice, I'll stop supporting them.
I honestly don't care what goes on over there, but I suppose that I support Israel out of respect for a country who is surrounded by enemies but continues to do what is necessary to stay alive and protect its people, and in a mostly civilized way. As soon as Israel starts using its own people as human shields against Hamas or anyone else as a matter of practice, I'll stop supporting them.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:33 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I'm not a Dispensationalist, so I'm not a "Zionist". I'm a Christian who believes that Christians (of any race or nationality) are the "true Jews" due to faith, not by bloodlines.
Dispensationalists are not usually familiar with Preterism. There's a legitimate possibility that John of Patmos was referring to the Romans and Nero around 70 A.D.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:40 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:
Why Does This Board Support Israel
I support them because most everyone else hates them(by a margin of 6 billion to 1)simply because they exist. I always root for the little guy
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:44 pm to Big12fan
quote:The Heavenly Loin Clothier has finished the ensemble. I mean, hell, you can't wear the same thing to an event this big.
There won't be peace in that region till the Prince of Peace returns.
What is he waiting on? Now is a good time.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:46 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Right. I thought we might confine the argument to the actually pertinent attacks and not every thing that's ever been blown up in history. Go ahead and include Oklahoma City (good Christian boy there), Dresden, Hiroshima and the day you were born.
More semantic arguments. Zero content. But then, this is what I expected. Check my other facts, JEAUX? Got any other points of contention? Anybody? I'd have hoped that illustrating what the Israelis did to the British who allowed them to exist would shed some light on their true nature. They are not your friends. They are no one's friends.
More semantic arguments. Zero content. But then, this is what I expected. Check my other facts, JEAUX? Got any other points of contention? Anybody? I'd have hoped that illustrating what the Israelis did to the British who allowed them to exist would shed some light on their true nature. They are not your friends. They are no one's friends.
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