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re: Why Does This Board Support Israel/Zionism?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:47 pm to UL-SabanRival
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:47 pm to UL-SabanRival
Do you really not see why during the 40's they might have had issues trusting people?
Talk about some fricking context.
Talk about some fricking context.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 2:48 pm
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:53 pm to NoNameNeeded
quote:I could almost be convinced to be a partial preterist over a dispensationalist but I am not sure it matters
Dispensationalists are not usually familiar with Preterism.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:10 pm to Burt Reynolds
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https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636
1. Territory as a whole doesn't equal the area given to the Jews.
2. Your just fricking wrong dummy
LINK
Here's a link to suck on
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:22 pm to SammyTiger
Now that Jews are on the verge of being purged from high positions in America, how will America's future unfold without them?
Of course, this is theoretical, but has anyone considered the overall wellbeing of Western countries that expelled or reduced Jewish influence to proportional levels?
It seems Germany is the economic powerhouse of the EU today and the most industrious regarding engineering, etc. How would the US fair after having the Gentiles sidelined for so long under Jewish dominance of top positions and society as a while for so long? Have we been disenfranchised for so long that we would not be able to function as a country without Jewish oligarchs making our decisions for us?
Just a few questions to consider, but definitely not trying to incite or insinuate anything drastic...
Of course, this is theoretical, but has anyone considered the overall wellbeing of Western countries that expelled or reduced Jewish influence to proportional levels?
It seems Germany is the economic powerhouse of the EU today and the most industrious regarding engineering, etc. How would the US fair after having the Gentiles sidelined for so long under Jewish dominance of top positions and society as a while for so long? Have we been disenfranchised for so long that we would not be able to function as a country without Jewish oligarchs making our decisions for us?
Just a few questions to consider, but definitely not trying to incite or insinuate anything drastic...
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:26 pm to FooManChoo
Nm
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:53 pm to HeauxBeaux
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I always root for the little guy
they aren't the little guy. they are financially backed by the US.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:55 pm to SammyTiger
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Here's a link to suck on
Two can play the name calling game beanie boy. Your "link" is from a procon website and doesn't cite it's facts. Where in the article does it cite it's facts? You couldn't even provide a quote of the article with what you are trying to prove.
Here are the real facts schnauzstein LINK
I was inaccurate in what I said. In 1947, it was 33.33% Jewish, however they were still given a disproportionate share of the land, 57% to be exact. However, the Zionist terrorists rejected this plan.
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In practice, Zionists did not accept the UN Partition Plan. Zionists seized areas beyond the proposed Jewish State and did not recognize the International Zone. Using force and terrorism months before May 1948, Jews seized land beyond the UN proposed borders. The UN Plan was used as a pretense for taking over most of Palestine. This is a critical fact often omitted when the history is presented and this leads to a very distorted view of what happened in 1948. The misleading story often told is that "Jews declared Israel and then they were attacked." The fact is from November 1947 to May 1948 the Zionists were already on the offensive and had already attacked Arabs. In the months before Israel was declared, the Zionists had driven 300,000 non-Jews off their land. In the months before Israel was declared, the Zionists had seized land beyond the proposed Jewish State.
Source
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It is the Zionists that pushed for the radical idea that the land be divided up so that a "pure" racially established state of Jews could be established. They didn't want to live as equal citizens as is expected of all religions in America. But the division was only considered temporary by them since their goal was and is to take over all of Palestine. The key Zionists had no intention of accepting that UN partition, a recommendation to chop up Palestine into 7 parts. 67% of the population didn't what that done. In 1938 Ben-Gurion said to other Zionists, “after we become a strong force, as the result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.” Sure enough, after the creation of the state in 1948, Menachem Begin made clear how serious the “Jews accepting the UN partition” was in reality, “The partition of the Homeland is illegal . It will never be recognized.The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) will be restored to the people of Israel, All of it. And forever“. "A partial Jewish state is not the end, but only the beginning ... I am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreement with our Arab neighbors or by some other means...[If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in a different language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state." p162 Fateful Triangle The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians
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Your just fricking wrong dummy
you're**
quote:More Citations and Sources
The fact that the rights of the majority, 67% of the population, were violated is suppressed in the media. Why in the world would you think it is legitimate for 33% of a population to seize land and carve up the land into 7 parts? Why in the world should 67% of a population ever accept that? These population stats, which highlight just how undemocratic the UN proposal really was, are almost never mentioned in US media. The 1947 proposal was not the first land division scheme, the Peel Commission suggested a partition plan in 1937. Also if you look into it, the Zionists had no intention of accepting any fair partition. As Ben-Gurion himself said in 1937, "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of Eretz Israel." (see p162 Fateful Triangle The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians) The May 1948 unilateral declaration was by less than 33% of the population who were imposing their will on 67% of the non-Jews. In Nov 1947 the UN made a recommendation for a three-way partition of Palestine into a Jewish State, an Arab State and a small internationally administered zone that would have included Jerusalem. This was a recommendation by the UN General Assembly and General Assembly recommendations have no force, they are only recommendations. In fact Israel is the greatest rejecter of General Assembly resolutions by the way. When the recommendation was made, war broke out between the Palestinians and the Zionists who had been planning on taking over and before the end of the war they had amassed much more arms. By May 1948, when the Jews (33%) unilaterally declared "the state of Israel", 300,000 Palestinians had already been ethnically cleansed (forced from their homes or had fled the fighting) by the Zionists and the Zionists had stolen a region well beyond the area of the original Jewish State that was proposed by the UN. Then, after the Zionists had taken control of this much larger part of the region and hundreds of thousands of civilians had been forced out, "Israel" was attacked by its neighbors.
At least figure out the sources where your link draws his or her facts from. I know you'll give me the "I'm on my phone" excuse. Reaching and flailing now Sammy. Try looking at sources instead of pinching pennies for data allowance on your phone.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:01 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:To heck with all the Zionist-Terrorist BS. There's enough fault to go around.
Burt Reynolds
How was your trip down the Nile?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:04 pm to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:14 pm to SammyTiger
Dividing the population as "Jews vs Arabs" makes no sense. Judaism is a religion, Arab is an ethnicity. If you want to divide by religion, you'd need to peel off the Christians from both sides, as well as the Druze. (To the extent the Druze end up in the "Arab" column it's misleading because they are generally pro-Israel, as are some Christians and even many Muslim populations such as the Circassians.)
Dividing by ethnicity is even more tricky because Israel's Mizrahi population are ethnically Arab and there's also Beta Israel and the waves of African migrants. So you'll have the opposite problem there since Arabs will appear to be a huge majority but the Mizrahi and the Muslims don't have much in common since the Mizrahi obviously have good reason to be in Israel.
Dividing by ethnicity is even more tricky because Israel's Mizrahi population are ethnically Arab and there's also Beta Israel and the waves of African migrants. So you'll have the opposite problem there since Arabs will appear to be a huge majority but the Mizrahi and the Muslims don't have much in common since the Mizrahi obviously have good reason to be in Israel.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:16 pm to NC_Tigah
Awesome. I was pretty much the only tourist. I just did a day layover in Cairo. Saw the pyramids and the Egyptian museum during the day then flew down to aswan that night. In aswan, I saw the unfinished obelisk and the temple of philae. I didn't get to see the temple of Horus at edfu but heard it was impressive. The next morning, I took a three hour mini van down to Abu simbel to see the temple of ramses 2. Took the train to luxor the next day. I saw valley of the kings (incredible), temple of Hatshepsut, medinet habu, and tombs of the nobles on the West Bank. That evening I took a Falooka out on the Nile, smoked some Egyptian grass, swam with the locals, and ate Ramadan dinner feast with them. Next day I did the east bank: temple of Karnak, temple of luxor and the luxor museum. I flew to cairo the next day and just hung out downtown. Cairo seems to be becoming more relaxed. I didn't see a lot of people wearing burkas or traditional garbs there like in the south. It seems to be westernizing a bit since Morsi was ousted. Overall an awesome experience. It's a good time to go right now
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:21 pm to Burt Reynolds
Wait, you smoked some grass and ate the Ramadan Feast on the same day??? That's classic! You and would probably get along after all, as long as we didnt talk politics......
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:23 pm to Iosh
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Dividing by ethnicity is even more tricky because Israel's Mizrahi population are ethnically Arab and there's also Beta Israel and the waves of African migrants. So you'll have the opposite problem there since Arabs will appear to be a huge majority but the Mizrahi and the Muslims don't have much in common since the Mizrahi obviously have good reason to be in Israel.
I'm sure you're well aware of what israel does with it's African migrants? LINK
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:42 pm to FooManChoo
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As soon as Israel starts using its own people as human shields against Hamas or anyone else as a matter of practice, I'll stop supporting them.
Would it surprise you to know that there were Jews in Europe during the holocaust that could have saved many from death, but instead chose to allow millions to die because they gave Zionism a greater priority than that of saving Jews from the death chambers?
Basically, it was a death panel where the old and sick were eliminated. They weren't used as human shields as Hamas has done, but they essentially were condemned to death because the cause of Zionism was greater than that of the individual Jew. It was sacrificial.
This is just one case.
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Although Montor was an ardent Zionist, the prevailing Zionist aim at the time was for "selective" immigration to build a Jewish state, not the rescue of Jewish refugees. Therefore in 1940 Montor, as executive vice president of the United Jewish Appeal, refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube. He wrote a letter to a rabbi in Maryland stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with … old people or with undesirables." He circulated thousands of copies of the letter, which asked Jews not to support illegal immigration to Palestine.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:57 pm to Manzielathon
Did you even read my post about Irgun? By 1931, this group had already been formed, having decided that merciless aggression was necessary, rather than any kind of sane compromise. This was not a response to ww2, but preceded it by almost a decade. Of course, when you intend to displace the local inhabitants, it's easy to see why that decision was made. The time line I posted was just the highlight reel of their attacks on the British, who did not stick them all in prison camps and upon whose rulings and intrusions Israel's existence is based.
NoName. You need to go sit in the corner, man. After your "I'm not saying I hate the Jews, but I hate the Jews" post in the other thread, it's clear what your opinion is. Half the Jews I know on FB and elsewhere are even more up in arms than you and I, but I guess some would say they're just pretending to be mad.
Jews, as a member of the true master race, Irish people, I can only say that even if my emotions qualified as hate by any definition, I would still never stop hoping for reconciliation, not because of religion, but because life is too short for us to waste so much time tormenting each other.
NoName. You need to go sit in the corner, man. After your "I'm not saying I hate the Jews, but I hate the Jews" post in the other thread, it's clear what your opinion is. Half the Jews I know on FB and elsewhere are even more up in arms than you and I, but I guess some would say they're just pretending to be mad.
Jews, as a member of the true master race, Irish people, I can only say that even if my emotions qualified as hate by any definition, I would still never stop hoping for reconciliation, not because of religion, but because life is too short for us to waste so much time tormenting each other.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:01 pm to UL-SabanRival
Here's my take. If Israel had been formed 100 years earlier no one would question it's right to exist. Prior to the 20th century, you form your country and defend it, it's yours. Sucks for them I guess
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:04 pm to Iosh
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Dividing the population as "Jews vs Arabs" makes no sense. Judaism is a religion, Arab is an ethnicity.
Wrong.
Any Jew will tell you that being a Jew is more than adhering to the religion of Judaism. Jews are a Semitic ethnicity, and Israel's right of return requires a certain percentage of matrilineal Jewish/Semitic heritage.
It's an ethnicity, a religion, and a mentality or mindset of the middleman at the expense of the masses and all others. Conquer and divide, or create divisions and rivalries for middleman gains, that's what it traces back to in its essence.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:06 pm to Burt Reynolds
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It is the Zionists that pushed for the radical idea that the land be divided up so that a "pure" racially established state of Jews could be established. They didn't want to live as equal citizens as is expected of all religions in America. But the division was only considered temporary by them since their goal was and is to take over all of Palestine. The key Zionists had no intention of accepting that UN partition, a recommendation to chop up Palestine into 7 parts. 67% of the population didn't what that done. In 1938 Ben-Gurion said to other Zionists, “after we become a strong force, as the result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.” Sure enough, after the creation of the state in 1948, Menachem Begin made clear how serious the “Jews accepting the UN partition” was in reality, “The partition of the Homeland is illegal . It will never be recognized.The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) will be restored to the people of Israel, All of it. And forever“. "A partial Jewish state is not the end, but only the beginning ... I am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreement with our Arab neighbors or by some other means...[If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in a different language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state." p162 Fateful Triangle The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians
That's pretty damning right there. Why should I ever consider supporting a group of assholes like this?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:18 pm to monsterballads
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they aren't the little guy. they are financially backed by the US
And every single one of Israel's surrounding nations are backed by Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Jordon.....well you get the gist
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:27 pm to HeauxBeaux
Careful now. The religious guys are getting serious wood after reading that.
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