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re: Why does the cake baker allow gay couples to buy his premade cakes?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:33 pm to AUsteriskPride
Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:33 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Just because you put your dick in a place most men don't does not mean you should receive special treatment. He could refuse his services to a straight couple and face no litigation.
But he doesn't refuse this service to straight couples. I addressed this in my post. I said that no one is forcing him to bake custom wedding cakes at all. That's the point of this whole thing. He wants to provide this service to straight couples but not to gay couples. It's no different than if he wanted to provide this service to white couples but not black couples. His choices are to either provide the service to all couples or no couples. If his religious beliefs prevent him from doing that then he needs to find a business that doesn't violate his beliefs.
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:42 pm to SUB
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Chill out people. I never said he should or shouldn't do something. Just questioning his logic.
I think the respondents in this thread are questioning your logic as do I. There is a big difference in having generic items for sell and actively participating in a gay marriage by providing a customized cake specifically for said marriage. For instance, I don't know what inscription was requested for the custom cake but lets pretend it was: Dicks Are Us
Would you be cool with that and see it the same as a generic cake?
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What kind of cakes he bakes and to whom he does or doesn’t sell them is none of your ducking budiness and it certainly isn’t any of the government’s business. If you believe otherwise you hate freedom and liberty and equality.
It's one thing to refuse to design and make a cake the subject of which goes against one's religious beliefs.
But it's an altogether different circumstance that you seem to advocate - where the baker can refuse to sell his everyday products to certain groups of individuals.
Imaging driving around and seeing signs on the front of each store showing what groups or classes of people with whom the proprietor refuses to do business.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:30 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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But he doesn't refuse this service to straight couples. I addressed this in my post
That is a moot point. The fact is he could, and face no consequences. It is reverse discrimination.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:47 pm to jorconalx
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Nope. They can buy the cake elsewhere. They aren't forced to buy it from him.
Let us know the first baker you find that puts up sign
"hey yall, kill that there neighbor for working on the sabbath, we dont sale no gay cakes here'
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:51 pm to Cruiserhog
Just stfu already. Seriously. Your trolls are old.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:55 pm to SUB
quote:Listen, the baker doesn't care if you buy a cake from him and bring it home to frick it, or stick it up your arse.
He's already baked cakes celebrating gay marriage if he baked them under the premise that gay couples could buy them.
He doesn't want to make a gay wedding cake because it's his fricking right.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:02 pm to texridder
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Imaging driving around and seeing signs on the front of each store showing what groups or classes of people with whom the proprietor refuses to do business.
The market would then decide if those businesses will be viable or not, which is far better than the government deciding how a private enterprise should be run.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:29 pm to SUB
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Why does it matter?
If it has nothing to do with you, why do you care??
*Liberal logic for everything*
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:34 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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His choices are to either provide the service to all couples or no couples. If his religious beliefs prevent him from doing that then he needs to find a business that doesn't violate his beliefs.
So a black artist must paint a Klan member a painting that glorifies the KKK or he must quit being an artist?
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:40 pm to SUB
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Just questioning his logic.
Why shouldn't he sell premake cakes? Thats what he's in business for.
I question your logic.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:46 pm to SUB
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He's already baked cakes celebrating gay marriage if he baked them under the premise that gay couples could buy them
And that is his compromise as a citizen in a diverse society. He is not a fanatic about his religion.
The gay fascists don't care about compromise or diversity. They are fanatics about their beliefs and demand no compromise with their beliefs.
Not that complicated.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:47 pm to Cruiserhog
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Let us know the first baker you find that puts up sign "hey yall, kill that there neighbor for working on the sabbath, we dont sale no gay cakes here'
Gibberish..straight up.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:49 pm to EA6B
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The market would then decide if those businesses will be viable or not, which is far better than the government deciding how a private enterprise should be run.
That^
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:53 pm to Cruiserhog
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Cruiserhog
You should open up a gay bakery in Little Rock. Problem solved. You'd go broke in a few short months but no doubt you'd get Businessman of the Year award for your effort.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:53 pm to CajunTiger92
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So a black artist must paint a Klan member a painting that glorifies the KKK or he must quit being an artist?
Is being a Klan member a protected class? Is this really that difficult for y'all to understand?
No, a black artist can't refuse to paint a white person just because they're white.
If this baker had just made up an excuse like he is too busy or something similar then he wouldn't be in this situation. Instead he openly told them why he wouldn't do their cake
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:58 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Is being a Klan member a protected class? Is this really that difficult for y'all to understand?
And if he/she doesn't tell the baker they're klan members?
Why is this so difficult for y'all to understand?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:02 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Is being a Klan member a protected class? Is this really that difficult for y'all to understand?
What makes gays a protected class? What special attributes do they possess that make them any more special or worth protection than let's say, an autistic person?
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:03 pm to Dale51
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Why shouldn't he sell premake cakes? Thats what he's in business for.
I question your logic.
My point is that his moral compass is inconsistent.
I never said he shouldn't sell premade cakes. Once again, he has stated several times that he does not want to make cakes that he knows will be used in the celebration of something that he thinks is morally wrong. He's also stated that he's fine with selling premade cakes to use in gay weddings. He doesn't ask couples if they are gay or not, and my guess is that if just one of the men went in and ordered a cake, without telling him that he was gay, he would have made it.
So it seems that he cares more about knowingly participating in some way toward celebrating gay marriage. For some reason, the act of making the cake is the line in the sand for him. If he's so against knowingly participating in the celebration of gay marriage, why shouldn't the sale of a pre-made cake that he knows will be used in a gay wedding also violate his moral principles?
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:04 pm to GurleyGirl
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For instance, I don't know what inscription was requested for the custom cake
None. The couple requested a wedding cake, he said he didn't do same-sex wedding cakes and the couple left.
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