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Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:02 am to TigerDoc
quote:Pelosi hyped it as well?
(and it seems to be hyped by the same politicians that generally have been most dismissive of the pandemic itself in the places with the most cases, which is an interesting dynamic
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:02 am to Jake88
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But, it really hasn't done anything noticeable.
Yup other than cure patients
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:08 am to SDVTiger
No, it hasn't. We eagerly used it early and often. People on the triple combo ended up sicker or well at the same rates as those who didn't get put on them. The courses were not significantly different. We're not using it now and people are doing well regardless.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:09 am to Jake88
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But, it really hasn't done anything noticeable.
On its own...no. However, when combined with Zinc and a Z pack, it seems to be somewhat effective. I will leave you with this tidbit...I have a good friend that works in the research on a vaccine for COVID 19. While he won’t state that the combo definitively works ( ethically the correct tone at this point), he does have that drug cocktail prescribed, filled, and stored in his medicine cabinet at home. He also told me that that cocktail is option #1. That is enough for me.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
You don’t need 300 million people taking the drug, that is ridiculous, kids, teens, physical ineligibles (those that can’t take it) are eliminated right off the bat. 90million Americans are 23 and under.
The second wave will “start” around September and by early October the MSM screaming about the risks and the election will be at a fever pitch. All we would need is enough people in the 25 to 65 demo that are social, active, and working to take it to slow down the spread rate numbers that would feed the hysteria.
You can also eliminate those that have already had corona and have the antibodies. That is why the story was circulating that you can get it again, to create doubt that they are “safe”
Fortunately it is probably Still way too warm in 2/3 of the country in September/October for a real second “outbreak” to create enough momentum to affect the election but they will try
The second wave will “start” around September and by early October the MSM screaming about the risks and the election will be at a fever pitch. All we would need is enough people in the 25 to 65 demo that are social, active, and working to take it to slow down the spread rate numbers that would feed the hysteria.
You can also eliminate those that have already had corona and have the antibodies. That is why the story was circulating that you can get it again, to create doubt that they are “safe”
Fortunately it is probably Still way too warm in 2/3 of the country in September/October for a real second “outbreak” to create enough momentum to affect the election but they will try
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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300M people (or so)
Why not use it for those most likely to die.
Does your figure still apply?
ETA: let herd immunity take care of the rest. Life is not without risk.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:12 am to jimmy the leg
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The side effects of this drug are well known and documented over decades of observations. If the percentage of patients with side effects with this drug are now suddenly deemed to be too much, then shut down every pharmacy because that is a standard than cannot be met by any drug.
Doctors are still able to prescribe a drug in a case such as this, but as the evidence mounts that a treatment is risky but doesn't provide efficacy, the balance of anticipated risks to benefits starts to shift and physicians have different levels of risk tolerance about whether to prescribe it. If the evidence levels get strong enough medical treatments that were once standard of care to prescribe eventually become malpractice. Not saying that is happening with this drug, but the bloom is definitely off the rose, at least for hospital use.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:12 am to jimmy the leg
We did the combo. No noticeable difference in outcome.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:13 am to IslandBuckeye
IB, does Jake describe yourself experience.
I’m genuinely curious.
quote:
We eagerly used it early and often. People on the triple combo ended up sicker or well at the same rates as those who didn't get put on them. The courses were not significantly different. We're not using it now and people are doing well regardless.
I’m genuinely curious.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:14 am to Jake88
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No, it hasn't.
Yes it has. Many CA doctors are claiming this but are being silenced
Sorry that bothers you
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:15 am to TulaneFan
Because a $12 drug has ruined their carefully crafted narrative to suck trillions of dollars out of the US economy in an effort to damage Trump politically.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:16 am to TigerDoc
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If the evidence levels get strong enough medical treatments that were once standard of care to prescribe eventually become malpractice. Not saying that is happening with this drug, but the bloom is definitely off the rose, at least for hospital use.
Understood. Thank you for your insight.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:18 am to SDVTiger
quote:It doesn't bother me. Like I said, we eagerly used very early in March. There is no "silencing" going on. Doctors can prescribe it if they choose, we did.
Yes it has. Many CA doctors are claiming this but are being silenced
Sorry that bothers you
I'm not your opposition. I'm a supporter of Trump. I'm simply telling you what I've seen on the ground.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:20 am to Jake88
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Doctors can prescribe it if they choose
The Doctors in CA are being grilled like no other when they call in a script. Some are being denied
They claim they have never ever seen anything like it
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:26 am to SDVTiger
quote:That's regressive CA where spitefulness is allowed to dictate policy. Docs should be allowed to practice as they see fit so long as it isn't malpractice.
The Doctors in CA are being grilled like no other when they call in a script
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:33 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Look at the deaths from oxycontin
The opioid crisis in America should be laid right at the feet of Obama care if anyone was honest.
There are a lot of metrics in Obama care around pain and pain management that incentivized doctors to prescribe pain meds for things they did not before O care became law.
Another in the long lines of examples of the government injecting itself into the people’s lives and causing havoc.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:35 am to TulaneFan
1. Trump said it works and they HATE everything Trump. (It does work, not for everyone, but for a lot. Also can’t be acquired without orders from a physician)
2. Follow the money. It’s an old and cheap drug that doesn’t bring big profits. Most media sources are owned by conglomerates. Look at the reporting and how the same language is used. Those conglomerates I’m sure are knotted up with “big pharma”.
2. Follow the money. It’s an old and cheap drug that doesn’t bring big profits. Most media sources are owned by conglomerates. Look at the reporting and how the same language is used. Those conglomerates I’m sure are knotted up with “big pharma”.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:37 am to jimmy the leg
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triple combo
If you refer to the triple combo from The Lancet
Original artical from The Lancet: Triple Therapy
(ribaviron, Interferon b-1b, and Kaletra), I am unable to answer. We just got some I b-1b this last week and have not had a patient to use it on. The data does look promising. 120 patients with 2:1 using all 3 with 50% reduction in time from start to clear nasal swabs. Of note the interferon costs $5700 for 14 vials or $570 per dose, requiring 1-3 doses over alternate days.
The island opens for tourists on June 1 so some data may be forthcoming.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:56 am to jimmy the leg
Just realized that you were probably talking about HCQ/AZT/Zn. Yes our small sample size worked. We are talking small sample size. 3 survived, none died. None were on vents.
Of those declining on basis of unproven therapy 2 died out of 2. One may have benefited as he was offered therapy 10 days before vent. The other was only 4 days before vent. These 2 were father and son.
Of those declining on basis of unproven therapy 2 died out of 2. One may have benefited as he was offered therapy 10 days before vent. The other was only 4 days before vent. These 2 were father and son.
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