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re: Why does Hollywood keep race swapping iconic white characters?

Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:22 am to
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:22 am to
Why can’t they just remake Shaft with Whoopie as a black tranny?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:22 am to
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Also, was watching Valhalla Vikings on Netflix and the mother frickers made one worrier tribe not only all woman BUT the leader is a black woman!!


This show is on my watchlist but after hearing about this stupid casting my enthusiasm waned.
Posted by Bearcat90
The Land
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:24 am to
They are considering casting a black woman as James? Bond after Daniel Craig's next (and probably last) role as 007.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:26 am to
Don’t. It’s fricking terrible. Knowing you’re a big Last Kingdom fan like me I know it’s tempting because the reign of Cnut is interesting but the show is garbage. A woke meandering mess.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103141 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:26 am to
Spoiler alert-













They killed James Bond in the film and had M briefing a new 007 who was a black woman at the end.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:30 am to
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They're looking to erase whiteness from history.

Exactly what they are doing.

I have erased Hollywood right back
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15842 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:30 am to
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Why does Hollywood keep race swapping iconic white characters?


I know they're trying to show that minority actors, producers and directors are just as as good if not better than whites but what it comes across as is they are not talented enough to come up with new exciting ideas that people would want to watch so they remake other movies and just replace the characters with minorities, rewrite the script to be more about what minorities experience or their culture (Wonder Years) and roll it out as some ground breaking achievement.

It's really lazy and shows a lack of ingenuity and motivation. Not sure that's what they should be aiming for.

ETA: They do this or have done this to a lesser extent with women and LGBTSHDFHJBFN roles as well. (Ghost Buster)

And for the record I don't even like when they remake movies and use white actors to replace white actors. 95% of the time it looks like a cheap money grab and adds nothing to the overall likeability of the movie. And even less so that it's obvious they're doing it race or gender reasons.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:25 am
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:31 am to
Hollywood has become a liberal echo chamber. Thats why no creative ideas have come out in what seems like decades. They just recycle old comic book characters and make terrible sequels to successful movies .
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 9:42 am
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:32 am to
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I am all for putting the best actor you can in any role


This is usual not an issue. There is rarely a situation where when casting for a movie the role is undefined and literally "the best actor" is chosen from a wide array of possibilities. What's happening now is nearly exactly what we saw with Biden's SC nominee, in that studios go looking for very specific demographics to fill the already conceived idea of how they want to "reimagine" the role.

In addition, if this was a real thing then why do we often see animated adaptations doing race and gender swaps? Were they the best drawings for the role?

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One thing that always takes me out of a historical movie is when they use the wrong race for a character.



If you think back a few years ago we were told by people who would now tell us what's happening today is no big deal and we should all shut up and like it, was that historical figure would NEVER EVER be swapped, because they would be ludicrous. We were told to stop behaving like man babies and simply accept that fictional characters, even though they may have had decade after decade of established canon and lore were fake and thus subject to being altered.

Now? You've got shows having black Vikings...



Black Anne Boleyn...



It's about complete rewriting history at this point. It doesn't matter if it was factual accurate, it needs to look like today. In the case of the black Viking, that was based on a white guy...so that one is both race and gender swapped.
Posted by Bearcat90
The Land
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:33 am to
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Spoiler alert-


I stopped watching almost all movies a long time ago. Half the time I do watch a movie made since 2000 or so, I end up shutting the damn thing off because of the "messaging" they constantly try to shove in our faces.

Love watching the very old Bond movies. Back when the character of 007 was still a real human and not an automaton.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83168 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:34 am to
Ah, crap. Well I’ll take your word for it and skip it.

The woke casting is so stupid. An actual black person watching a show like Vikings is not expecting a black lesbian warrior leader. It’s insulting to even think a black viewer needs to see such a ridiculous thing.

One of my best friends is Korean. He got me into Vikings originally, when it first aired about ten years ago. Never once did he say, man, where is the Asian representation in this show set in medieval Scandinavia? I feel marginalized!

I watched many Game of Thrones episodes with a black female friend. GOT was mostly about a bunch of white people yet never did she say “I just can’t relate to this show Bc none of the main characters looks like me!”

It’s childish.
Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
1586 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:34 am to
Miles Morales and Peter Parker exist in the same comic universe, so technically they did make a new character.

But anyways, these are fictional characters. There's nothing that says that they have to be white. Now I will say that altering characters in period pieces where we know for fact that a non-white character could not have existed raises my eyebrow, Like Cinderella or Snow White. But, comic book writers retcon their characters all the time to update their development for modern times. Marvel prides themselves on being able to make their characters relate to their readers. Point being this isn't necessarily Hollywood being "woke."
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103141 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:36 am to
The really stupid part with the Wonder Years remake is that they stayed planted in the 60s.

It should have been transplanted to the 80s with the idea being that the show remained about a generation or two behind the time. As it is, the 60s are getting further and further removed from people’s frame of reference as the people who lived through it die off.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297053 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:37 am to
Better question, why are you supporting Hollywood enough to know?

We still have "conservatives" supporting Hollywood and Twitter on this board, y'all are part of the problem.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:40 am to
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but what if comes across as if they are not talented enough to come up with new exciting ideas that people would want to watch do they remake other movies and just replace the characters with minorities


If you watch the video I posted form Eric July, he actually makes a similar point, which that for these activists they only see legitimacy in traditionally white characters. Take Marvel's Falcon for instance.

Falcon is an original black character from 1969. As far as I know, he's the first black superhero form Marvel that did not have "Black" is his name. He has his own set of skills and was his own independent character despite having made his debut in a Captain America comic.



But, that wasn't good enough...so Marvel decided he needed to BECOME Captain America. So, they jettison Steve Rogers and move over Sam Wilson. This is seen by activists as a promotion, but it's really a demotion, because instead of keeping his own independent identity, he had to take Steve Rogers' sloppy seconds in order to "make it" they way they see it. So not only do you get rid of Rogers, but you lose Falcon as well. And they see this as "progress."

Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5360 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:42 am to
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Don’t. It’s fricking terrible. Knowing you’re a big Last Kingdom fan like me I know it’s tempting because the reign of Cnut is interesting but the show is garbage. A woke meandering mess.


Can confirm this. If you're looking for accurate history, this definitely isn't the series to watch. Perry much everything is historically wrong. Woke? Oh dear and then some. Amazing how women are super soldiers back then. Amazing.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103141 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:42 am to
Falcon had had a weird history to say the least, with him being prominent in the late 60s and in the 70s to generally being irrelevant in the 80s and 90s before making a comeback in the 2000s.

And he also wasn’t the first to replace Steve Rogers as Cap.

Before him were John Walker (Super Patriot, US Agent) in the 80s and Bucky (Winter Soldier) in the 2000s.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83168 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:43 am to
Spot on.

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We were told to stop behaving like man babies and simply accept


This is still the party line. Any thread on the movie board on this topic will always bring out the same liberal posters saying the same thing. For years now.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78138 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:43 am to
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Pop culture is a key institution for the Neo-Marxist to identity infiltrate and subvert. It was identified by the Frankfurt school in the 60s
This was a tactic long before the 1960s.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:46 am to
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Miles Morales and Peter Parker exist in the same comic universe, so technically they did make a new character.


It's still tokenization. Spider-Man was not a Mantle. It's Peter Parker.

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But anyways, these are fictional characters. There's nothing that says that they have to be white. Now I will say that altering characters in period pieces where we know for fact that a non-white character could not have existed raises my eyebrow, Like Cinderella or Snow White. But, comic book writers retcon their characters all the time to update their development for modern times. Marvel prides themselves on being able to make their characters relate to their readers. Point being this isn't necessarily Hollywood being "woke."


Like I said earlier...

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If you think back a few years ago we were told by people who would now tell us what's happening today is no big deal and we should all shut up and like it, was that historical figure would NEVER EVER be swapped, because they would be ludicrous. We were told to stop behaving like man babies and simply accept that fictional characters, even though they may have had decade after decade of established canon and lore were fake and thus subject to being altered.


As for Marvel updating characters for readers...let's be blunt. They have no readers any more, and it's because of this kind of thing. Comics have been totally replaced by Manga because comic pros have very little interest in writing anything fans actual want. what they are doing now is akin to shitty comedian in the 70's and 80's who only worked on 8 minute sets in an attempt to be seen and hopefully get a TV deal. they are creating things with the direct hope that they will be adapted to TV/movies.
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