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re: Why do you support more war and more American involvement and death in the Middle East?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:56 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:56 pm to Bass Tiger
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But your standards are much too high for this forum.
Yeah, maybe.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You and your boy Bill Clinton may not agree, but I don't care about your agreement.
Stop this stuff, man. I didn't bring Clinton up or ever support him or his wife.
It's weird that you deflect. Stay on target.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:57 pm to DeusVultMachina
We never should have taken out Saddam, just like Col. Kaddafy; same goes for any idea of taking out Assad. I never could understand why warhawks like a-hole McCain were wanting us to take out Assad to support a rebel group. Saddam was viewed as a tyrant, not saying he was a good guy but how do you govern a bunch of rival Islamic factions? And after we took out Kaddafy, now you have a shite hole country (Libya) that is worse than Afghanistan. Take out Assad and you have another territory of various rebel factions. You can't apply Western ideas to fanatical Islamic countries. The fact we are still in Afghanistan is insane- we owe these people nothing! We lost enough American lives, get out and let them battle it out or let other countries send their troops and money. We also need to pull out of NATO and United Nations- both worthless except for the waste of American money!!
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Ok, and have we gained tangible benefit from, say, the last 20 years there?
Absolutely.
You may be right but I need some convincing....carry on bruh.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:58 pm to DeusVultMachina
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I didn't bring Clinton up or ever support him or his wife.
I didn't say you did.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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like terrorists to have a reduced support structure.
This like the war on drugs
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:00 pm to DeusVultMachina
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This like the war on drugs
Don't let me stop you from explaining.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I didn't say you did.
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you and your boy Bill Clinton
Stop this stuff.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:01 pm to DeusVultMachina
You decided to be a jackass in your first reply to me.
I'm just sticking with the theme that you established.
I'm just sticking with the theme that you established.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:02 pm to DeusVultMachina
Also, I still didn't say you did.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:03 pm to Tiger in Texas
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Saddam was viewed as a tyrant, not saying he was a good guy but how do you govern a bunch of rival Islamic factions?
Saddam's policy was zero tolerance for game-playing in that area, I'm sure.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:04 pm to windshieldman
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I’ve asked this question at least 10 times over the last week. To all the people bitching about not saving the Kurds. Show me your post from last spring, or link the thread, whining about Kurds being slaughtered in northern Syria when we had 2,000 troops there. Show me where a U.S media outlet was bitching about it like they are now. Link me to your worries on TD about Afrin being captured from Kurds by Turkey spring of 2018. Bottom line, y’all didn’t give a frick. If you have proof you were concerned, then more power to you
I’ll bump it to get a reply. Maybe the 11th time will be a charm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
What is the end point, how do you "reduce terrorist support structure" in any appreciable or permanent way with our intervention strategy?
Given the radical islamist culture endemic to the region, you are simply emptying a water bucket into the ocean. No appreciable effect has been seen. Terror attacks have risen. Terror networks are more varied and sophisticated and numerous as ever.
What results? What endpoint? There are hundreds of thousands of bin laden types, man. The region continues to be unstable regardless of our presence. We just add American deaths in the sand.
Given the radical islamist culture endemic to the region, you are simply emptying a water bucket into the ocean. No appreciable effect has been seen. Terror attacks have risen. Terror networks are more varied and sophisticated and numerous as ever.
What results? What endpoint? There are hundreds of thousands of bin laden types, man. The region continues to be unstable regardless of our presence. We just add American deaths in the sand.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:08 pm to DeusVultMachina
In your opinion, what should have been the response regarding the Taliban sponsoring Al Qaeda immediately following 9/11?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:12 pm to davyjones
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what should have been the response regarding the Taliban sponsoring Al Qaeda immediately following 9/11?
The Taliban not only STILL exist, they are essentially the de facto Afghani govt in much of that nation. We sure showed them!
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:12 pm to Tiger in Texas
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. I never could understand why warhawks like a-hole McCain were wanting us to take out Assad to support a rebel group.
Maybe because America stands for freedom and democracy. It’s our job to protect and defend democracy, especially in the Middle East where democracy is most vulnerable.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:13 pm to davyjones
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davyjones
I'm not trying to snark ya, just pointing out that we seriously did not change much, now did we? But a lot of our boys died defending poppy fields.
Its fricked up.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:15 pm to Ben Goldstein
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it's our job to protect and defend democracy
Why? Why can't we put America first and let other nations fight their own wars?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:15 pm to DeusVultMachina
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What is the end point, how do you "reduce terrorist support structure" in any appreciable or permanent way with our intervention strategy?
There may not be an end point or permanent solution. Let's understand that before anything else.
"Let them be" sure as hell never worked, though.
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No appreciable effect has been seen.
That's completely false.
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We just add American deaths in the sand.
How many? From what causes? What does that look like against the alternative?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:18 pm to DeusVultMachina
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Why? Why can't we put America first and let other nations fight their own wars?
Because we have the strongest military in the world. Without American power projection you would see the Baltics overrun by Putin’s goons and another holocaust in Israel. For better or worse it’s up to us to handle because nobody else can.
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