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Why do we still concern ourselves with Libya?? Can we stay out of any conflict in the ME?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:12 pm
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Trump Backed Libyan Warlord After Saudi Arabia and Egypt Lobbied Him
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The leaders of Saudi Arabia and Egypt successfully lobbied President Trump to shift U.S. policy in Libya and reach out to the general leading an offensive against the country’s United Nations-backed government, a senior U.S. administration official and two Saudi officials said.
In early April, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi urged Mr. Trump to back Gen. Khalifa Haftar, whose forces are seeking to capture the Libyan capital Tripoli amid a long-running battle for control of the oil-rich country.
About a week later, Mr. Trump called Gen. Haftar, and “discussed a shared vision for Libya’s transition to a stable, democratic political system,” the White House said.
That marked a significant shift in the American stance toward Gen. Haftar. For years, Washington has supported the United Nations-recognized government in Tripoli and worked with it in the war on Islamic State. Before Mr. Trump’s call, the U.S. had condemned the general’s offensive and called for a cease fire.
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A week before Mr. Trump phoned Gen. Haftar, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said: “We have made clear that we oppose the military offensive by Khalifa Haftar’s forces.”
Since the two men’s conversation, the U.S. hasn’t repeated its previous firm calls for a cessation of hostilities.
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The decision demonstrated how quickly Mr. Trump can pivot on key U.S. policies after conversations with some foreign leaders. He announced a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria following a phone conversation with Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in December. In April, Mr. Trump decided to take steps to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a foreign terrorist group after discussing the issue with Mr. Sisi, who has led a lethal crackdown on the Islamist movement in Egypt.
Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have provided air support to Gen. Haftar’s forces in recent years, according to a U.N. panel monitoring the international arms embargo on Libya. Egypt denies this, and the U.A.E. hasn’t acknowledged the documented presence of its aircraft in Libya.
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:14 pm to I B Freeman
Woohoo the melt moves to another thread.
Tldr and I B Chinaman.
Tldr and I B Chinaman.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:15 pm to I B Freeman
Put Down the Crack Pipe Bro.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:15 pm to I B Freeman
Shut up
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Chinaman spamming the board like he did with his tariff shite like the past. Gonna get a timeout.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:18 pm to I B Freeman
The one thing that is certain, Muslim countries will always be violent regardless who is in control. Because of that I don’t care who we back politically, I just don’t want to give them weapons that they will later use against us or our allies.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:20 pm to I B Freeman
How about that. The dumbass hat trick. You got all the answers Skippy, all you need to do is get yourself elected president!
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:26 pm to I B Freeman
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Ib
If your Girl Hillary didn’t add Gadaffi to her Dead Pool The US would not even in this position.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:31 pm to I B Freeman
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I P Freely
Shut up, stupid.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:32 pm to I B Freeman
You now have 5 threads you’ve started on the front page.
This is awfully melty and can’t be healthy for you
This is awfully melty and can’t be healthy for you
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:42 pm to I B Freeman
5 threads on the first page? You're not that fricking interesting.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:50 pm to I B Freeman
Libya may be Islamic but it is North African not Middle Eastern. It's pretty much due South of Italy.
I guess Greece and Poland are now M.E. too?
I guess Greece and Poland are now M.E. too?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:24 pm to Sidicous
You are correct but the interlopers identified in the article are ME on both sides.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:44 pm to I B Freeman
Holy crap man have you been drinking all day or something? Because it sure seems like you’ve been drinking all day.
Go to bed. You’re drunk.
Go to bed. You’re drunk.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:56 am to I B Freeman
My take. I guess better an ally in charge rather than an enemy (and by ally I mean a secular regime instead of a hostile islamic fundamentalist state) . Why we took down Ghadafi when he was no longer in the terror game completely eludes me? The country has been mired in anarchistic tribal fighting since.
This statement bothers me "“discussed a shared vision for Libya’s transition to a stable, democratic political system." Why do we feel the need to encourage a democratic political system on these people? If the people want that they have to fight for it themselves.
Isn't Libya just artificial construct, and Ottoman province, Italian war booty? Is there an real natural distinction that separates a Libyan culture from Tunisian, Algerian, and western Egyptian? Maybe that area would do better as a collection of distinct tribal nation states.
This statement bothers me "“discussed a shared vision for Libya’s transition to a stable, democratic political system." Why do we feel the need to encourage a democratic political system on these people? If the people want that they have to fight for it themselves.
Isn't Libya just artificial construct, and Ottoman province, Italian war booty? Is there an real natural distinction that separates a Libyan culture from Tunisian, Algerian, and western Egyptian? Maybe that area would do better as a collection of distinct tribal nation states.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 8:00 am to I B Freeman
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For years, Washington has supported the United Nations-recognized government in Tripoli
Of course we did bc our "leaders" are and were idiots.
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Gen. Khalifa Haftar
I don't know dick about him but it takes an a-hole to control terrorist assholes.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 8:05 am to I B Freeman
Isis has shifted from Syria to North Africa. Southern Libya is a mess.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 8:07 am to I B Freeman
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Trump Backed Libyan Warlord After Saudi Arabia and Egypt Lobbied Him
K, so two semi-stable actors in the region asked Trump to back their player in the game...
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United Nations-backed government
Never been a fan of this and am actually happy to see the U.S. finally stick their thumb in the U.N.'s eye... Pretty safe bet that the UN backed government is not the best government for U.S. interests in the region...
The big question though... Here it comes... Did Trump impose any tariffs? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE....
Posted on 5/13/19 at 8:17 am to I B Freeman
These threads are getting old.
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