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re: Why do states with high average IQ vote D while states with low average IQ vote R
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ben Carson was an icon in the black community
then he came out as a Republican
You mean sorta like Trump was not a racist, a sexist, or evil until he became one?
Are we suggesting that liberals are just dishonest people? Yes, yes we are.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ben Carson was an icon in the black community then he came out as a Republican
And don't think for a second other reasonably bright young black people don't notice what happens to reasonably bright black people who stray from the plantation.
It's easy to sit here and say they should still just be themselves.
But, I don't know how great I'd do if deviating from the accepted norm meant that very possibly, NO WHITE PEOPLE in my circle would even associate with me.
I mean, there are a lot of places in America where being a young black person with non-conforming ideas doesn't mean you'll have less black friends. It means they will have NONE.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:30 am to ShortyRob
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It seems that a lot of blacks who are well spoken, smart, etc etc have developed a new coping mechanism with being outcast from their own group. Namely, they have become some of the worst SJWs for race.
Like they're on some sort of quest to "prove they are legitimately black" whatever that might mean.
That's an interesting notion that I believe has merit. Those people never learned how to properly deal with their situation. At some point, someone has to step in and tell them to ignore those who seek to ostracize you for your success. I had to do this a number of times myself for younger kids that I mentored.
Another problem, however, is that regardless of educational or financial success, we are WAY too loyal to each other. For example, we tend to support or sympathize with people like Alton Sterling or Michael Brown, when all indications are that these men contributed greatly to their own deaths. This is kind of blind support is not something that whites generally engage in. As a race, we suck at taking responsibility for our collective selves.
But I think you are at least partially correct about the SJW issue.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:33 am to LordSaintly
quote:It's just a form of confirmation bias (a type of cognitive bias with a systematic error of inductive reasoning).
But like you said, it's a symptom of a major problem within the community that needs to be fixed.
Instead of self-evaluation and pursuit of improvement, it's a mob mentality that rejects outliers.
"My view is right. The people that are different need to be shamed into conforming to me. They are different from me and therefore must be the ones that are wrong."
Sadly, it's extremely difficult to overcome belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false).
I'm not sure why anyone would choose poverty over prosperity. Or why peer acceptance is able to overcome personal satisfaction.
Please forgive the unfortunate name of the social experiment that attempts to answer this question.
G.R. Stephenson - “Cultural acquisition of a specific learned response among rhesus monkeys“
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:35 am to LordSaintly
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Another problem, however, is that regardless of educational or financial success, we are WAY too loyal to each other. For example, we tend to support or sympathize with people like Alton Sterling or Michael Brown,
This is a biggie.
Have you ever heard middle/upper middle class white people talk when white trailer trash is around? LOL. It ain't pretty.
Blacks on the other hand do the strangest thing. I've seen blacks that I know who speak perfectly good fricking English turn into instant gang bangers when they find themselves in groups of ghetto blacks.
I don't mimic trashy white people when I'm around trashy white people.
quote:I see it among my black friends and acquaintances.
But I think you are at least partially correct about the SJW issue.
They are a diverse group of people if you went just by knowing them in daily life.
Yet, politically speaking, they are indistinguishable from project blacks except possibly MORE militant.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:42 am to LordSaintly
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hat's an interesting notion that I believe has merit. Those people never learned how to properly deal with their situation. At some point, someone has to step in and tell them to ignore those who seek to ostracize you for your success. I had to do this a number of times myself for younger kids that I mentored.
Another problem, however, is that regardless of educational or financial success, we are WAY too loyal to each other. For example, we tend to support or sympathize with people like Alton Sterling or Michael Brown, when all indications are that these men contributed greatly to their own deaths. This is kind of blind support is not something that whites generally engage in. As a race, we suck at taking responsibility for our collective selves.
But I think you are at least partially correct about the SJW issue
I don't believe what you say is entirely accurate. I believe there are more blacks that think the way you do then we realize. It's simply that for a variety of reasons, they are quiet about it.
I mean a guy like Charles Barkley, he can get up and say whatever he wants about black folk, who's gonna challenge him? It's not like he's ever gonna be confronted by some gang bankers from ATL or something.
But if you live in that neighborhood, you probably better keep your mouth shut even if you do believe M Brown deserved a dirt nap.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:45 am to ShortyRob
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I've seen blacks that I know who speak perfectly good fricking English turn into instant gang bangers when they find themselves in groups of ghetto blacks.
I won't lie. I'm guilty of this too when interacting with similar groups. I'm trying to break myself of this, because as you said, whites don't do this and for good reason. It's a terrible habit.
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Yet, politically speaking, they are indistinguishable from project blacks except possibly MORE militant
Yeah they are doing a disservice, just like I am when I change my speech for others.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:47 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I believe there are more blacks that think the way you do then we realize. It's simply that for a variety of reasons, they are quiet about it.
You're right. But you're also right that there's an insane amount of pressure to keep quiet about it. That's the killer, not the numbers.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:47 am to LordSaintly
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I won't lie. I'm guilty of this too when interacting with similar groups. I'm trying to break myself of this, because as you said, whites don't do this and for good reason. It's a terrible habit.
That's not entirely true, I retired as a Colonel fromt he US Army, have 3 degrees, including a Doctorate from Princeton and often find myself relaxing my speech both in writing and in speech to conform to whatever crowd I'm in just as a way to relate. I don't see this as a big deal.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:49 am to Mahootney
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Please forgive the unfortunate name of the social experiment that attempts to answer this question.
But I'll give it a read later.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:53 am to Machine
Because it's BS
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:56 am to LordSaintly
i'm fortunate due to my job and social connections to get to talk to black people when nobody else is looking
that's one reason i was sarcastic earlier. white liberals tell me i can't talk about black people when i've interacted with more black people (especially lower SES black people) in the past month than they have in their life
that's one reason i was sarcastic earlier. white liberals tell me i can't talk about black people when i've interacted with more black people (especially lower SES black people) in the past month than they have in their life
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:56 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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often find myself relaxing my speech both in writing and in speech to conform to whatever crowd I'm in just as a way to relate. I don't see this as a big deal.
Speaking for myself, I'm not really "relaxing" my speech when I do this. It's me talking in a manner that I usually don't.
While it does allow me to relate, it's not really a sincere form of communication on my part. For younger kids especially, maybe it's better for them to see an example of a black person who communicates in ways they are not used to.
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That's not entirely true, I retired as a Colonel fromt he US Army, have 3 degrees, including a Doctorate from Princeton
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:58 am to LordSaintly
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You're right. But you're also right that there's an insane amount of pressure to keep quiet about it. That's the killer, not the numbers.
Sure, it's very similar to moderate Muslims and terrorism, I would feel very confident in saying that every moderate Muslim knows at least one a-hole who is a ticking time bomb, yet most of them say nothing. Probably out of fear for their own life as much as secretly they agree with the radical turd.
Or, I saw this in the military a few times. I'd be investigating an assault/murder case and everyone on the street in question knew that the guy was beating the shite out of his wife on a regular basis and even though none of them beat their wives, none of them ever spoke up.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:03 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
the group identification stuff is a major issue
it's also one reason why the concept of "white people" causes so many issues. only a very, very small percent of white extremists identifies on the basis of race. other social constructions like religion don't really divide white society anymore.
it's also one reason why the concept of "white people" causes so many issues. only a very, very small percent of white extremists identifies on the basis of race. other social constructions like religion don't really divide white society anymore.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's also one reason why the concept of "white people" causes so many issues
Whenever i hear militant blacks talk about "white people" and then i see liberal whites climb on the bandwagon, I'm always like.......... um, they aren't saying "white conservatives"....... You dumb fricks are in the crosshairs too!
LOL
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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t's also one reason why the concept of "white people" causes so many issues. only a very, very small percent of white extremists identifies on the basis of race. other social constructions like religion don't really divide white society anymore.
Class divides white America to some extent. But those who seek to elevate themselves don't seem to be nearly as looked down upon and there's certainly rarely enough peer pressure to make them give a shite either way, if they really want to do so.
If anything, I'd argue they likely face more hurdles from those above trying to keep them down, and often as much as similarly situated black Americans. And I'm not saying this as trying to seem put upon.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:10 pm to ShortyRob
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Whenever i hear militant blacks talk about "white people" and then i see liberal whites climb on the bandwagon, I'm always like.......... um, they aren't saying "white conservatives"....... You dumb fricks are in the crosshairs too!
LOL
That's just a function of liberal/progressive stupidity man.
I mean we're talking about people who are screaming for refugees who believe by a wide margin want SHaria law in the US , to be allowed to flow unchekced into this country as they purport to defend women and gays, for example.
We are talking about people who scream and bitch and moan about allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country at the same time as the purport to be about raising wages for low income Americans.
Long story short, stupid is the unifying factor of DNC voters.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:13 pm to Y.A. Tittle
i have to admit, if a random person read this entire thread, it would take topical and tonal twists and turns they'd never expect
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:43 pm to Machine
Easy. The less white people there are, the more Dems have votes.
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