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re: Why do Socialism Deniers ignore the overwhelming evidence that Socialism doesn't work
Posted on 4/30/17 at 9:06 am to Loserman
Posted on 4/30/17 at 9:06 am to Loserman
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Socialism is rape
Capitalism is consensual sex
So the United States military is, in your world view, an example of rape while Mexican drug cartels are an example of consensual sex...I bet the women in your life would make for some interesting conversations....that is, of course, assuming you can find some gullible enough to get involved with you in the first place...
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 9:09 am to Bard
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Socialism proponents see the ideal in their mind but fail to realize that's the only place it has ever, or will ever, exist because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And how does capitalism prevent corruption?
Socialism exists in all societies and has since the dawn of man....
Posted on 4/30/17 at 9:50 am to rocket31
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More people escape poverty under capitalism than socialism.
based on what?
The history of the world 1750-current
Posted on 4/30/17 at 9:53 am to germandawg
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Socialism exists in all societies and has since the dawn of man....
Nonsense.
When your only method of defending it is using an illegitimately broad definition of "socialism," you've lost the argument.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 9:55 am to Antonio Moss
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The history of the world 1750-current
Lol. Yeah. I mean shite. Dude might as well be debating the composition of water
Posted on 4/30/17 at 10:00 am to germandawg
quote:You've interestingly broad definitions of socialism. The military is a meritocracy by most accounts.
So the United States military is, in your world view, an example
Posted on 4/30/17 at 10:21 am to cokebottleag
They choose to ignore history, and it's happening again the commies and losing ground to the nationalists.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 11:45 am to cokebottleag
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What can be done to realign their beliefs and science-denial to align closer with reality?
Science denial comes in lots of flavors.
Climate denial
Socialism denial
Vaccine denial
We are truly becoming a nation of idiots
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:57 pm to skrayper
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Climate denial
Socialism denial
What do these even mean?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:58 pm to germandawg
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Socialism exists in all societies and has since the dawn of man....
You people don't e ven know what the word means anymore.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:59 pm to rocket31
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because i can show you plenty of data to show you that most poor ppl stay poor throughout their entire lives, under a capitalist market
Which one?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:06 am to Vastmind
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Most of them either don't have the skills or are too afraid to compete in the free market.
Where does this free market exist that so many of you speak wistfully of? There are far fewer examples of laissez faire economies (there has never been one outside of criminal organizations and stateless societies and neither of those has ever lasted long nor produced a single thing of benefit to anyone) than there are example of socities which had strong socialist elements to their economies....the United States being the best example ever...
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:14 am to Antonio Moss
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quote:
Socialism exists in all societies and has since the dawn of man....
Nonsense.
When your only method of defending it is using an illegitimately broad definition of "socialism," you've lost the argument.
The definition I am using is the most accepted definition....not the one that the right uses which applies the socialism brush to any form of regulation directed at commerce. My definition, and the most accepted definition, is much less broad than the rights which ranges from a stop sign impeding transportation to soviet style communism....
Socialism is the only manner that man can live in civilized society....without socialism governance is not possible...
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You people don't e ven know what the word means anymore.
So why don't you enlighten us....I gave a valid definition of the term...and will again...
noun: socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:21 am to NC_Tigah
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You've interestingly broad definitions of socialism. The military is a meritocracy by most accounts.
Meritocracy and socialism is not mutually exclusive my friend...what about the military is privately owned? The means of production, distribution and exchange of the goods and services that the US Military provides is owned and regulated by the community...it toto, without any exception....the US Military exists ONLY because of socialist elements in our society....
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:33 am to Ebbandflow
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They should both work together. It isnt black and white. Capitalism and socialism are a natural pair. We use them based on societal need. When the free market satisfies a need or is used for luxury and innovation, perfect. When the needs of a society arent met by free market, utilize social programs until they arent useful or the free market catches up.
There is no such thing as a free market....there are less regulated markets but all markets are regulated and always have been...the rare exception are stateless societies which do not last more than a few years before the people involved realize that shite ain't working and start regulating one another...
Is there too much regulation? IN some areas yes...in other areas no....it is a dynamic situation. What can't be tolerated is an absolute free market economy because only the most willing will survive...and while that works well in drug cartels and places like Somalia...for a few individuals...it has never worked on any sort of scale for any length of time....free market ideologists are as naive as communists who think their shite will work if only the right people attempt it...
For proof read the bible of the free market cult of Ayn Rand and study the reality of Gault's Gulch and the supposed ethical and moral superiority of those shrugging Atlases...and then ponder for a moment why they needed such intricate security measures....and why the author found it necessary to include so much information about how they kept their shite from one another....not just the outside world but one another...and you will have all the information one needs to know about the utopian free market....
The only winners in either a communist economy and society and one of laisezze faire capitalism are the individuals ruthless enough to survive....the other 99.99% of people will find themselves under the heel of the most willing to survive....BUT, in a economy mixed with basic socialist elements AND private property, in other words a WESTERN DEMOCRACY....you see people at all levels of the economy thriving.....and in the most succesful example ever even the poorest of the poor are doing pretty damn well....
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:40 am to Antonio Moss
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That really isn't an accurate assessment. Having social safety net programs in a capitalist society isn't "socialism." In the US, there are really no true socialist programs because for every government collectivist program there is a private counterpart.
No there isn't...there is no private sector equivalent to social security...find an insurance company which will pay a dividend to an orphan when they nor their parent ever paid a single premium. There is also not private sector interstate highway system and the few private roads there are....the ones that are failing left and right by the way...are all bought and paid for by the collective. There is no private sector equivalent of the FAA and few if any private commercial airports that weren't built through a collective effort....you are simply wrong my friend....we do many, many, many things in this country through collectivism....things the private sector would never be able to monetize until the collective makes it possible...hell the very essence of this form of communication is a prime example...very few of us would even have electricity in our homes, let alone communications such as we have, without collectivism....
There has to be a happy medium between communism and laisseze faire capitalism....and that is where socialism fits and it is the essence of western civilization, thank goodness....
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:45 am to germandawg
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Where does this free market exist that so many of you speak wistfully of? There are far fewer examples of laissez faire economies (there has never been one outside of criminal organizations and stateless societies and neither of those has ever lasted long nor produced a single thing of benefit to anyone) than there are example of socities which had strong socialist elements to their economies....the United States being the best example ever...
So where does this argument get you? Capitalistic, private-enterprise societies with a limited amount of collectivism have a strong record of economic might. Predominately collectivist states have no such record, unless you want to include highly authoritarian regimes.
So the key, it appears, is curtailing the urge to promote greater collectivism, and retaining rights associated with private enterprise, right?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:45 am to ShortyRob
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I have never for 1 minute comprehended why liberals fear private enterprise power MORE than government power.
Both are prone to abuse. But, only one owns the tanks, jails and the police and has the power of law behind it.
The worst run companies of the 1950s are gone.
The worst government ideas of the 1950s are expanded.
extremely well put!
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:49 pm to germandawg
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The only winners in either a communist economy and society and one of laisezze faire capitalism are the individuals ruthless enough to survive....the other 99.99% of people will find themselves under the heel of the most willing to survive....BUT, in a economy mixed with basic socialist elements AND private property, in other words a WESTERN DEMOCRACY....you see people at all levels of the economy thriving.....and in the most succesful example ever even the poorest of the poor are doing pretty damn well....
Bingo. I agree. I was trying to get to that point with these guys but you summed it up best. They started a whole thread about socialism and how liberals want it. This idea had no basis in reality.
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