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re: Why do so many people on this board think that liberals are "fascists?"
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:55 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:55 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Why do so many people on this board think that liberals are "fascists?"
Remember when I pointed out how mind-numbingly stupid you are, and you cried about this board being deflating and not living up to its potential?
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 9:56 pm
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:17 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Second question would be how is it possible for so many people on a POLITICAL message board to have no idea what the frick fascism is.
In theory,If liberals "are communist" and "hate America," wouldn't they be automatically disqualified and kicked out of the fascist club?
Communism and Fascism are like two horns on the same totalitarian goat. But indeed, the leftists are more like Stalinists.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:29 pm to heymama
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They can’t, because it doesn’t make sense. But they know big words like cuck.
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Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall."
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Historian John Lukacs argues that there is no such thing as generic fascism.
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Kershaw argues that the difference between fascism and right-wing authoritarianism in the Interwar period is that the latter generally aimed "to conserve the existing social order", whereas fascism was "revolutionary", seeking to change society and obtain "total commitment" from the population.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:31 pm to dgnx6
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Kershaw argues that the difference between fascism and right-wing authoritarianism in the Interwar period is that the latter generally aimed "to conserve the existing social order", whereas fascism was "revolutionary", seeking to change society and obtain "total commitment" from the population.
This description has always been key for me. While I generally do consider fascism to be "of the right" with economic elements "of the left", I do not consider it to be a "conservative" movement.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This description has always been key for me. While I generally do consider fascism to be "off the right" with economic elements "of the left", I do not consider it to be a "conservative" movement.
Even if they want it to fit their perfect definition it is anti conservative and anti liberal.
Which the progressives are. People have noted many a time these aren’t the same liberals. Or aren’t classic liberals.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:34 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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In theory,If liberals "are communist" and "hate America," wouldn't they be automatically disqualified and kicked out of the fascist club?
Depends on the end goal. The Nazis hated the Commies but fought with them in WW2 for same cause. The fascist did the same.
It is not uncommon for groups to be different yet have enough similarities to side with each other in the case of self preservation.
Fascist and Commies (Democrats, Marxist) both hate America for what it is so can be bed partners for certain causes.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:37 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Why do so many leftist/ Marxists/ claim to be liberals?
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:37 pm to Paddyshack
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Fascism (/'fæ??z?m/ FASH-iz-?m) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
Far right? Like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hitler...the socialist?
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:38 pm to CDawson
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The Nazis hated the Commies but fought with them in WW2 for same cause.
Eh, we fought on the same side as the commies too, and for longer. Generally, fascists fought against communists in most cases.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:40 pm to Darth Vol
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Like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hitler...the socialist?
One of these was not like the others.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:50 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Miriam Webster definition
fascism
noun
fas·?cism 'fa-?shi-z?m also 'fa-?si-
Synonyms of fascism
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality
Sounds a lot like the police state you are worried about. It's actually happening now under the current administration. Please, tell me where socialism has ever worked, ever. I'll wait, but hint, it fails every time.
fascism
noun
fas·?cism 'fa-?shi-z?m also 'fa-?si-
Synonyms of fascism
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality
Sounds a lot like the police state you are worried about. It's actually happening now under the current administration. Please, tell me where socialism has ever worked, ever. I'll wait, but hint, it fails every time.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:06 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Poli Board Hall of Fame nominated post!
Communism and socialism cannot exist without a fascist government.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:06 pm to imjustafatkid
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Communism and socialism cannot exist without a fascist government.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:06 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
This book will help you figure it out
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:07 pm to RD Dawg
Lame. 
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:14 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hitler...the socialist?
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One of these was not like the others.
Hitler was a socialist.
Say this real slow. National SOCIALIST Worker's Party.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:17 pm to Darth Vol
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Hitler was a socialist.
Say this real slow. National SOCIALIST Worker's Party.
It's like you completely ignored (or are unable to comprehend) the previous posts about what distinguishes fascism from communists even though they both have leftist economic views. Again, the Jonah Goldberg argument is lame.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:18 pm to Mo Jeaux
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the previous posts about what distinguishes fascism from communists
The messaging only.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:22 pm to imjustafatkid
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The messaging only.
Not really. I get that you're just using the term as a general pejorative. It's sloppy, but whatever.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:30 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Why do so many people on this board think that liberals are "fascists
Nazis were fascists and the left is turning into nazis more and more every day.
And other than who owns the means of production, there is little difference between communism and fascism.
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