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re: "Why Do People Persist in Believing Things That Just Aren't True?"
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:47 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:47 pm to OMLandshark
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No they don't dismiss them. They just say they don't know. Smart people are not afraid to say they don't know, while it terrifies the hell out of stupid people. They don't go to the default answer as "God did it". That's your go to, and basically why I'm telling you that you and most other fundamentalists think they know everything. If I don't know now, then God certainly does, so the question is irrelevant. That is your mentality. You have the answer, in that there's no need to further seek it, since God knows it.
Again, a personal YOU or a generic YOU?
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Oh yeah, please do experiments on the Koran or the Book of Mormon and tell me what you come up with. I'll be waiting.
There is nothing outside of the lab? The entire world exists for the lab? The ultimate barometer of life is experimentation?
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:48 pm to Gray Tiger
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Again, a personal YOU or a generic YOU?
A bit of both.
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There is nothing outside of the lab? The entire world exists for the lab? The ultimate barometer of life is experimentation?
Everything is theoretically a lab. You don't need to have the most advance things in a lab in order to test things.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:56 pm to OMLandshark
You know this how? Because I am debating you?
The truth is that you have no clue and are blindly reacting to your own prejudice.
Perhaps fear? Most certainly ignorance. You don't know.
Love? Family? Companionship? Integrity?
You are constantly testing each of these?
The truth is that you have no clue and are blindly reacting to your own prejudice.
Perhaps fear? Most certainly ignorance. You don't know.
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Everything is theoretically a lab.
Love? Family? Companionship? Integrity?
You are constantly testing each of these?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:58 pm to I B Freeman
People need to think they are fighting for something. Past generations fought in wars and came back home considered heroes. Today people want to think they are fighting for something, except this time the enemy isn't Hitler it's you.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:58 pm to Gray Tiger
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You know this how? Because I am debating you?
The truth is that you have no clue and are blindly reacting to your own prejudice.
Perhaps fear? Most certainly ignorance. You don't know.
I can read into posts pretty well and understand who I'm talking to on the other end.
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Love? Family? Companionship? Integrity?
You are constantly testing each of these?
Of course. These are all experiments.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:05 pm to OMLandshark
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I can read into posts pretty well and understand who I'm talking to on the other end.
Because I challenge your close mindedness?
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Of course. These are all experiments.
No room for trust or (GASP!!) faith in your life, outside of the perfection of science?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:10 pm to Gray Tiger
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Because I challenge your close mindedness?
I'm not close minded at all. Provide me some evidence, and I'll read it and determine if it's worthwhile or not.
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No room for trust or (GASP!!) faith in your life, outside of the perfection of science?
Why can't trust or faith be a part of the scientific method?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:19 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm not close minded at all. Provide me some evidence, and I'll read it and determine if it's worthwhile or not.
You don't consider your out of hand disdain for religion as close minded? And You seem to hold Southern Baptists in particular low esteem. Pretty close minded to condemn all of then to being stupid people isn't it? It is theoretically possible that one or more might actually be smarter than you are.
No faith is an unproven belief. . "strong or unshakeable belief in something, without proof or evidence"
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:43 pm to Gray Tiger
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And You seem to hold Southern Baptists in particular low esteem. Pretty close minded to condemn all of then to being stupid people isn't it?
I've known friends who grew up in the church to abandon it repeatably, seeing it as a house of hypocritical lies and only serving to look down on others. I honestly don't see how someone at least my age could still continue with that church with reasonable intelligence and integrity, while I don't think the same of older members of the church.
Really, its just the fact that the Southern Baptist Preacher growing up was the most powerful man in town, and quite frankly one of the most despicable men I've ever known. The biggest judgmental hellfire and damnation preacher you'll ever meet. He outed people who were rumored to be gay and kicked them out of the church, and he also got his hands on an alcohol petition to make my county wet and proceeded to do the same to them.... well he didn't kick them out, it's just that people in the church wouldn't appreciate the likes of them there and that he would appreciate it if they didn't attend the service.
Of course it turns out he was fricking his secretary, and then he for some reason becomes all about mercy. He didn't keep his position, but it certainly led to quite a few people my age never attending the church again due to the hypocrisy. That's not how a church should treat people, and at least in MS, it's pretty much an across the board mentality for Southern Baptists. Yes, I do particularly despise that church and am just thankful I was raised in a more open minded one that accepts all of Christ's children.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:37 am to Gray Tiger
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Yet scientists are quick to assert that the current conclusions are totally correct. Scientists do tend to have this god like opinion of themselves.
"Scientist" is the most overused term of the decade. We use the word to elevate a technical specialist to godhood. When a Botanist talks about Climate Change, they call him a scientist in order to add credibility. They are just specialists in a field of study, and the media usually is talking to the wrong specialist when discussing climate change.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:03 am to Revelator
This thread is scary.
I didn't realize there were so many irrational people in the world.
I didn't realize there were so many irrational people in the world.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:14 am to OMLandshark
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I'm not close minded at all
your post history says otherwise
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:17 am to OMLandshark
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I've known friends who grew up in the church to abandon it repeatably, seeing it as a house of hypocritical lies and only serving to look down on others. I honestly don't see how someone at least my age could still continue with that church with reasonable intelligence and integrity, while I don't think the same of older members of the church.
Really, its just the fact that the Southern Baptist Preacher growing up was the most powerful man in town, and quite frankly one of the most despicable men I've ever known. The biggest judgmental hellfire and damnation preacher you'll ever meet. He outed people who were rumored to be gay and kicked them out of the church, and he also got his hands on an alcohol petition to make my county wet and proceeded to do the same to them.... well he didn't kick them out, it's just that people in the church wouldn't appreciate the likes of them there and that he would appreciate it if they didn't attend the service.
Of course it turns out he was fricking his secretary, and then he for some reason becomes all about mercy. He didn't keep his position, but it certainly led to quite a few people my age never attending the church again due to the hypocrisy. That's not how a church should treat people, and at least in MS, it's pretty much an across the board mentality for Southern Baptists. Yes, I do particularly despise that church and am just thankful I was raised in a more open minded one that accepts all of Christ's children.
i'm not Baptist...but it seems pretty close minded to base your entire view of a religious group on the actions of one a-hole
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:23 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Without the former you wouldn't have the latter.
I actually don't have a ton of issue with government funding of large scale scientific research. When they insist on steering finding or research I do.
I worry the steering happens more than any of us would ever imagine.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:08 am to I B Freeman
Did anyone read the New Yorker article?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:04 am to Revelator
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What good did the evolution of science do for those who underwent forced sterilizations, were given lobotomies or kids who suffered radiation poisoning from fluoroscopes? And what good will that evolving science do to those who go through this current life believing as fact things that will be disproven in future generations?
This post is hilarious.
Discoveries in science and medicine have given us a world in which child mortality rates have plummeted, life expectancy has risen, numerous heinous diseases have been virtually eradicated, and so on. Oh, and I can fly to Japan tomorrow or watch HD television whenever I want.
Too bad that guys like Jesus and Mohammed, for all their blathering about water, forgot to mention that boiling the stuff can kill a lot of nasty germs. And how about germ theory itself? That would have been a useful tidbit and could have prevented untold misery and human death... instead we waited over a millenia for the science you dismiss so easily. Lol.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:07 am to todospm
quote:Science, yes - and technology, and industry, and capital accumulation and the market economy. In short, CAPITALISM and FREE MARKETS did that. It wasn't science alone.
Discoveries in science and medicine have given us a world in which child mortality rates have plummeted, life expectancy has risen, numerous heinous diseases have been virtually eradicated, and so on. Oh, and I can fly to Japan tomorrow or watch HD television whenever I want.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:16 am to LSUnKaty
All of which are more real and have more positive impact than religion. What's your point?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:20 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:As you move through your career, your perspective will change.....even if your personal belief does not.
more positive impact than religion
Posted on 5/21/14 at 11:24 am to Rex
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I think it is fair to assume that Rex meant "Jesus" in the context of a Deity / Son of God, etc.
Yep, but he didn't exist as a person, either.
Would you care to provide proof?
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